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Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 11/18/20092 It seems as though they may have made more than a minor correction. Again I seem to be hitting about 60% of the homers I hit before and my average dropped 20 points.

Why is that hard to understand? These guys were relying on their power to overcome terrible ratings other than power pre-update. Now that they fixed the "power glitch," the splits, contact and batting eye are now a bigger factor into hitting homeruns. You are hitting less HRs and your average went down...doesn't that explain a lot? These guys aren't going to produce anymore like they used to and you have to go find guys that actually belong in the ML now
11/18/2009 9:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By firemanrob on 11/18/2009
Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 11/18/2009
2 It seems as though they may have made more than a minor correction. Again I seem to be hitting about 60% of the homers I hit before and my average dropped 20 points.

Why is that hard to understand? These guys were relying on their power to overcome terrible ratings other than power pre-update. Now that they fixed the "power glitch," the splits, contact and batting eye are now a bigger factor into hitting homeruns. You are hitting less HRs and your average went down...doesn't that explain a lot? These guys aren't going to produce anymore like they used to and you have to go find guys that actually belong in the ML no
That wasnt what they said they wanted to do in their update post. This was all about getting rid of extreme results. Now it seems to be across the board, and you are acting like that is what they wanted to do.

11/18/2009 9:39 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 11/18/2009
swamp, the ratings all work in concert. With those splits, it doesn't matter what the guys' power ratings are. The splits are so low that it is hampering their ability to hit for power.

I DO have a grasp on how these ratings are supposed to work. You can listen to what I've told you, or continue to be wrong. Those are your options.

But last year you would have been wrong. It seems to me the new update changed the outcome to what you think it should be.
11/18/2009 9:40 PM
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Per the release notes:
"Reduced upper end of home run frequency. The steroid era is over. "

By reducing the HR's hit by the top hitters, wouldn't a trickle down effect make sense? Especially when those guys shouldn't have been hitting those amount of HRs in the first place. They shouldn't be playing in the majors and they shouldn't be hitting 30 HRs/season. Its obvious they are now weighting power differently than before making these minor leaguers less valuable in a ML lineup
11/18/2009 9:53 PM
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i think the underlying sentiment here is:

get over it. you can't get your aaa studs/ml duds to overproduce anymore in the bigs

wis isn't gonna change the formula back because you built your team around crappy power hitters
11/19/2009 7:00 AM
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11/19/2009 7:09 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By firemanrob on 11/18/2009Per the release notes:
"Reduced upper end of home run frequency. The steroid era is over. "

By reducing the HR's hit by the top hitters, wouldn't a trickle down effect make sense? Especially when those guys shouldn't have been hitting those amount of HRs in the first place. They shouldn't be playing in the majors and they shouldn't be hitting 30 HRs/season. Its obvious they are now weighting power differently than before making these minor leaguers less valuable in a ML lineu


My top hitter is a player with a 99 PWR with 65/95 splits and 95 eye. He's consistently been one of the best hitters in the league, and through 10 games, he's only hit 1 HR. Granted, this is an extremely small sample size, but I'm very curious to see if this update affects more than just AAAA players.
11/19/2009 8:07 AM
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i have good rated power hitters (meaning with good splits and eye) who are still mashing the ball, so it's probably just a slow start for your guy
11/19/2009 8:18 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By firemanrob on 11/18/2009Per the release notes:
"Reduced upper end of home run frequency. The steroid era is over. "

By reducing the HR's hit by the top hitters, wouldn't a trickle down effect make sense? Especially when those guys shouldn't have been hitting those amount of HRs in the first place. They shouldn't be playing in the majors and they shouldn't be hitting 30 HRs/season. Its obvious they are now weighting power differently than before making these minor leaguers less valuable in a ML lineu
I am not trying to be a problem. I really am asking a serious question.

You jumped from "Reduced upper end of Homer Frequency" to They shouldnt be playing in the majors?

11/19/2009 8:58 AM
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there was a glitch that let subpar power guys like the ones that make up most of your team hit lots of homers and for a higher average than their ratings suggest they should

now the glitch is gone

your team of 5 wily mo pena's is performing more to the way they should in the big leagues now
11/19/2009 9:05 AM
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No if you read my post carefully, there are 2 things to consider.

#1 that if you tweak the engine to reduce the upper end of HR frequency, whatever you do is going to cause a trickle down effect. If a guy that hits 90 HRs gets knocked down to 65-70 a game, you don't expect a guy hitting 30 to stay at 30 do you? It seems that is the argument you are trying to make. That they should only have touched the guys hitting the absurdly high amounts of HRs and everyone else alone, no changes in power numbers or average which is a tad bit "tard-like."

#2 Is kind of a caveat to #1. You had guys on your team hitting way better than they should have, at a level higher than they should be playing. If you are going to fix the upper end of HRs do it in a way that affects the power of everyone, so that MiLB arent hitting at an ML caliber. If you gave me those players stats and those ratings I would say that it makes sense for a guy at AAA or AA, but when you say he did that at the majors then I would say there is a flaw. The same flaw that allows those guys to produce like that at the ML level is the same flaw that allows a true stud to hit more HRs than have ever been hit in a single season (73) in real life.

In your HFA thread, you made an argument that HFA is real and should be included. Well, if in the interest of realism, you make an argument for HFA then you should also be the first to applaud a change to HRs that brings the numbers down to a more earthly level.
11/19/2009 9:13 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By robproc on 11/19/2009
My top hitter is a player with a 99 PWR with 65/95 splits and 95 eye. He's consistently been one of the best hitters in the league, and through 10 games, he's only hit 1 HR. Granted, this is an extremely small sample size, but I'm very curious to see if this update affects more than just AAAA players.
Did you intentionally leave out his Contact rating? And 10 games means nothing.

If its http://whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1753761 that you are referring to, then I would suggest sitting down, enjoying a beer and waiting for his numbers to fix itself.
11/19/2009 9:14 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By firemanrob on 11/19/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By robproc on 11/19/2009
My top hitter is a player with a 99 PWR with 65/95 splits and 95 eye. He's consistently been one of the best hitters in the league, and through 10 games, he's only hit 1 HR. Granted, this is an extremely small sample size, but I'm very curious to see if this update affects more than just AAAA players.
Did you intentionally leave out his Contact rating? And 10 games means nothing.

If its http://whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1753761 that you are referring to, then I would suggest sitting down, enjoying a beer and waiting for his numbers to fix itself.

My work blocks the whatifsports link (I use a mirror site), but if it's Fernando Barcelo, then yes.



11/19/2009 9:24 AM
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Yes it is and his vL is a 62, but that doesn't make a difference. 10 games is too short to be relevant
11/19/2009 9:32 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By firemanrob on 11/19/2009
No if you read my post carefully, there are 2 things to consider.

#1 that if you tweak the engine to reduce the upper end of HR frequency, whatever you do is going to cause a trickle down effect. If a guy that hits 90 HRs gets knocked down to 65-70 a game, you don't expect a guy hitting 30 to stay at 30 do you? It seems that is the argument you are trying to make. That they should only have touched the guys hitting the absurdly high amounts of HRs and everyone else alone, no changes in power numbers or average which is a tad bit "tard-like."

#2 Is kind of a caveat to #1. You had guys on your team hitting way better than they should have, at a level higher than they should be playing. If you are going to fix the upper end of HRs do it in a way that affects the power of everyone, so that MiLB arent hitting at an ML caliber. If you gave me those players stats and those ratings I would say that it makes sense for a guy at AAA or AA, but when you say he did that at the majors then I would say there is a flaw. The same flaw that allows those guys to produce like that at the ML level is the same flaw that allows a true stud to hit more HRs than have ever been hit in a single season (73) in real life.

In your HFA thread, you made an argument that HFA is real and should be included. Well, if in the interest of realism, you make an argument for HFA then you should also be the first to applaud a change to HRs that brings the numbers down to a more earthly level.

1 You say that it should trickle down, but that isnt what they said. They said this was aimed at top frequency. They said this was aimed at ending "The steroid Era". You than went on to read into it that all power is reduced, something they never said.

2 This is where you seem to go off. You said I had guys on my team hitting way better than they should. Based on what. Power has always been the single most important hitting rating since the game began, followed closly by splits and eye. If I have a guy with high power and low splits and eye and he hits 60 HRs with a .240 avg and 170 Ks isnt that about right?

Again you seem to make a jump from what WIS said, to what you think the ratings should mean.
11/19/2009 9:40 AM
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