And you were saying I was misreading what it meant by "the more conditioning your players will require", because I was only applying it to one team?

What dalt said is what I said last night, yes you were misreading it completely when you were doing that.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/27/2009First flaw in your thinking is that both teams would very likely not get the same amount of shots off (also a possession is not just when a team gets a shot off, there are many other types of possessions). Second, what you have brought to the table says that a team that is going to play uptempo needs to have greater conditioning in general, never does it state that in the same game a team running uptempo will have to have a greater conditioning then a team (in the same game) running slowdown

You're a terrible debater/defender of your position....I just wanted to say that and make it perfectly clear. If you think zhawks is a bit off his rocker, please consider that in another thread he told me 370 HD seasons was a small sample size to see whether a 690 overall rated team had lost 0 games and/or a 780 overall rated team won 0 games. He's extremely belligerent and doesn't own up to his own statements...which is surprisingly evident here as well.....

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/27/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/27/2009
First flaw in your thinking is that both teams would very likely not get the same amount of shots off (also a possession is not just when a team gets a shot off, there are many other types of possessions). Second, what you have brought to the table says that a team that is going to play uptempo needs to have greater conditioning in general, never does it state that in the same game a team running uptempo will have to have a greater conditioning then a team (in the same game) running slowdown.

You're a terrible debater/defender of your position....I just wanted to say that and make it perfectly clear. If you think zhawks is a bit off his rocker, please consider that in another thread he told me 370 HD seasons was a small sample size to see whether a 690 overall rated team had lost 0 games and/or a 780 overall rated team won 0 games. He's extremely belligerent and doesn't own up to his own statements...which is surprisingly evident here as well.....

YOu becoming a stalker now, COlonels?

Colonels please do not continue to ruin threads as you already did with my other one. I have described tempo in this thread as it is in HD, if you disagree with that then, once again, it shows your lack of HD Knowledge.

I just found out via this thread what zhawks shtick is. I'm not looking to ruin any threads...I didn't ruin the other one...I'm just out and out saying, zhawks is the worst debater/defender of position I've ever seen, he loves the word FLAWED, and shockingly, he bobs and weaves in this thread as well. There's nothing more to say...people can see zhawks for what he really is, but I think its ironic that a completely different user is contesting zhawks virtually the same way I did and getting the same results.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009I just found out via this thread what zhawks shtick is. I'm not looking to ruin any threads...I didn't ruin the other one...I'm just out and out saying, zhawks is the worst debater/defender of position I've ever seen, he loves the word FLAWED, and shockingly, he bobs and weaves in this thread as well. There's nothing more to say...people can see zhawks for what he really is, but I think its ironic that a completely different user is contesting zhawks virtually the same way I did and getting the same results

He is wrong, he did not understand tempo as it is implimented in HD, what is wrong with me explaining it to him?

Quote: Originally Posted By thewizard2 on 12/27/2009

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 12/27/2009 Wiz, if there are more possessions in a given game, then yes, the other team running normal would also get more tired. It's more total possessions, not just possessions by your team.

Now we're getting somewhere....whew!lol

So you agree with this statement, zhawks

the game should work this way and used to work this way, I have seen no evidence that running uptempo by a superior (sometimes vastly superior team) does anything other than cause the vastly superior team running uptempo to wear out - try it sometime with a top notch team vs a d2 team in an exhibition, pick a team that does not press, zone would be preferred, you will be shocked at how easily 5 or 6 65-70 stamina guys can keep up with your stud corral of ten 90 stamina guys huffin and a puffin.

uptempo is a joke in this game right now, even if teams win with it , they would win by more if they did not run it.

I respectufully disagree. I run uptempo 80% of the time with both my teams. One is even a FCP team. My players have decent stamina and do not tire out. The only thing I notice is there are a lot more dead ball substitutions to get the fresh players back in.

I would agree that uptempo does not tire out your opponent either. I use it if I think I have superior talent solely to get more posessions in the game to try and week out as much variability as possible.

DEFENSE USES MORE ENERGY!

End of story right there. When your on offense you don't expend as much energy. (I would assume you have played b-ball before and you should know keeping up with your man and being in a good defensive crouch position expends your energy more than when your on offense just setting screens and passing the ball) Even if you don't agree with zhawks which if you have been around the game for a couple years then you would understand it as such.

Tempo is after you get into your set how long it takes for you to take shots. Think of the 5 seconds the time it takes to get down the court into your set and from there anything can happen. When you shoot at 5 seconds your getting the first look open and so on.

When running medium or slow down your waiting longer usually when in your set to take shots. Look at some college teams. No one works the clock like Wisconsin they will pass over open shots wanting to milk the clock this would be slow down. Marquette though will take the first open look out of their set no matter how much time has passed which is uptempo. This does not mean anything about the set or fast break, it is just simply about how fast you take a shot.

I agree with OR to an extent, Uptempo does not have the power it use to but I don't think it means nothing.

Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 12/28/2009
I respectufully disagree. I run uptempo 80% of the time with both my teams. One is even a FCP team. My players have decent stamina and do not tire out. The only thing I notice is there are a lot more dead ball substitutions to get the fresh players back in.

I would agree that uptempo does not tire out your opponent either. I use it if I think I have superior talent solely to get more posessions in the game to try and week out as much variability as possible.

mully - I won maybe ten national titles using this strategy, is just does not work anymore, got taken away in the update that IQ's affect changed.

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 12/28/2009DEFENSE USES MORE ENERGY!

End of story right there. When your on offense you don't expend as much energy. (I would assume you have played b-ball before and you should know keeping up with your man and being in a good defensive crouch position expends your energy more than when your on offense just setting screens and passing the ball) Even if you don't agree with zhawks which if you have been around the game for a couple years then you would understand it as such.

Tempo is after you get into your set how long it takes for you to take shots. Think of the 5 seconds the time it takes to get down the court into your set and from there anything can happen. When you shoot at 5 seconds your getting the first look open and so on.

When running medium or slow down your waiting longer usually when in your set to take shots. Look at some college teams. No one works the clock like Wisconsin they will pass over open shots wanting to milk the clock this would be slow down. Marquette though will take the first open look out of their set no matter how much time has passed which is uptempo. This does not mean anything about the set or fast break, it is just simply about how fast you take a shot

of course in real life it does, the game was originally programmed this way too, at some point top coaches were winning by 50 pts by wearing sim team out, and a programming change was made to make defense not tire players out - geez

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009I just found out via this thread what zhawks shtick is. I'm not looking to ruin any threads...I didn't ruin the other one...I'm just out and out saying, zhawks is the worst debater/defender of position I've ever seen, he loves the word FLAWED, and shockingly, he bobs and weaves in this thread as well. There's nothing more to say...people can see zhawks for what he really is, but I think its ironic that a completely different user is contesting zhawks virtually the same way I did and getting the same results

And your favorite word is "Boob" what of it?

I've used it less than he's used flawed and have attempted not to use it more recently, though its not the hateful, jabbing word you're all painting it out to be. A boob is kind of a cheeky idiot.