Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/29/2009If lower divisions would be fuller, pulldowns would be a lot more riskier.


its a lot of IFS. If transfers were increased, promises would not be an issue. If you couldn't do inform of redshirts after a promise it wouldn't be an issue either. If not practicing areas meant they would regress there would be less of an issue with how practice times are handled. If you couldn't redshirt players during recruiting/upper classment you couldn't still end up with 10+ SRs. The list of 'ifs' go on and on. I play the game how I play it. If you or anyone don't like it then that sucks I guess. Everything I do has been verified to be working as intended by CS however. So the attitude can be lost, k thanks.
12/29/2009 4:10 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 12/29/2009
Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/29/2009 If lower divisions would be fuller, pulldowns would be a lot more riskier.


its a lot of IFS. If transfers were increased, promises would not be an issue. If you couldn't do inform of redshirts after a promise it wouldn't be an issue either. If not practicing areas meant they would regress there would be less of an issue with how practice times are handled. If you couldn't redshirt players during recruiting/upper classment you couldn't still end up with 10+ SRs. The list of 'ifs' go on and on. I play the game how I play it. If you or anyone don't like it then that sucks I guess. Everything I do has been verified to be working as intended by CS however. So the attitude can be lost, k thanks.
I'll make a deal, when you stop cheating I will consider losing my attitude with cheaters. You can lose your nice one though too, cheater.
12/29/2009 4:18 PM
I don't have an attitude. Just kickin back on my day off enjoying the ****-poor weather we are having sharing my wealth of knowledge. If it will make you feel better I can keep hush hush on my advantages me and serveral users use and we can act like no coaches have any advantage over another due to experience. Would that be nicer?
12/29/2009 4:20 PM
Don't confuse experience with expending time to find exploits.
12/29/2009 4:28 PM
Its experience. I have just a couple names, but do experiment a lot and do things that other coaches won't think of
12/29/2009 7:05 PM
Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 12/29/2009Its experience. I have just a couple names, but do experiment a lot and do things that other coaches won't think of

Stop trying to look so innocent. You already admitted to finding and exploiting loopholes for your benefit. Regardless of if you do it under 1 or 100 usernames it doesn't change that you are a cheater.
12/29/2009 7:07 PM
Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 12/29/2009
Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 12/29/2009Its experience. I have just a couple names, but do experiment a lot and do things that other coaches won't think of
Stop trying to look so innocent. You already admitted to finding and exploiting loopholes for your benefit. Regardless of if you do it under 1 or 100 usernames it doesn't change that you are a cheater.


I'm a winner. I don't care what you want to call it. Everything I do is a legit part of the game. If you were to dumb to figure these things out for yourself then thats a shame :)
12/29/2009 7:57 PM
I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I gotta side with Furry on this one.

If, (and it's a BIG if), he's sent tickets to CS informing them of issues with the game, and they basically blow him off, then it's not his fault the loopholes are there. WIS has been informed (supposedly) and chose not to fix the problem. If the game is not working properly, that's not a coaches fault, that's CS/WIS being to bullheaded and lazy to look into it.

Do I think it's right? Not necessarily, but I don't think it's cheating. What's a shame is, that as long as this game has been around, there are still so many problems with it that should have been fixed a loooooong time ago that haven't been.....(shrugs shoulders)
12/29/2009 10:28 PM
Now having said the above, I do think that it's weak that Furry and all his little buddies try to find these loopholes to exploit. Just leads me to believe that none of them are confident enough in their abilities as coaches to win on a level playing field.
12/29/2009 10:42 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 12/29/2009I had something to say back to that, but with the cry babies lately someone would report it. I'll leave my murder/rapist pun out of this one but IMO it was 9/10 and full of lols. Shame grown folks can't handle jokes


Don't worry about me reporting, I've heard it all before, and I'm dying to hear this one!!
12/29/2009 10:43 PM
I believe it's WIS responsibility to make sure the game is working as intended. It should also be their responsibility to define fair play, what you can and can't do within the confines of the game. After all we are paying customers, these are the things they should be testing. Just because something is frowned upon doesn't mean he's cheating. Have to agree with furry here.
12/29/2009 11:25 PM
Quote: Originally posted by dcy0827 on 12/29/2009Now having said the above, I do think that it's weak that Furry and all his little buddies try to find these loopholes to exploit.  Just leads me to believe that none of them are confident enough in their abilities as coaches to win on a level playing field.
I don't try to find them, they just come to me. I just try random things and sometimes some interesting things work. I sent tickets on the pull downs, sent tickets on promises, sent tickets when potential first rolled out and had issues. Everything back was "well look into it." or that they are working as intended. I've heard rumblings of a new pull down method out there and there is a team of coaches working to find it. I'm sure once its figured out, most will blow up CS with proof that the old one is working like it was when it was fixed before and try to get it fixed so recruiting is fun again and keep the findings quite. These are the good guys in your book, but when I find them and share them I'm the bad guy because I'm the only one open to using such tools.




Of all the little tricks I use, I am open about every one of them. I've shared them on the forums, coaches corners or through site mail. None of this is top secret info that only I know, nor do I want it to be. I always try to share everything I know so other coaches can use it, or do what I do and use parts of it but tweak it and make it 10x better.




The only thing I use that I can honestly say makes my teams better would be the pull down methods and promises. Without them would I still be good? Yeah, because everyone else would have to recruit the same way. I've won championships with and without pull downs, so I don't think I need to prove myself anymore. It got removed 2 times before and I still won 2 championships, although some players were old pull down players from the call/letter/coach call days. If they ever decide to fix every little thing I use I'll still win. There is nothing I use that allows me to have more money to recruit with, sign guys I would usually not be able to or do anything that no other coach can. All it does is help me seal the deal on top ranked players, sign them for the cheapest amount possible, lock players up and have them consider me for under 200 dollars and keep em on board as back ups and such. Everything is out there for coaches to do the same if they want and I know a lot of the top notch coaches do use every tool I use. Hell, OR has his little secret on how to get like +15 extra improvements out of his players per season. We all learn different things as we continue to play. I don't think I would say he is using a loophole just because hes found out things about the game that we have not.
12/29/2009 11:50 PM
Fair enough, and thanks for the honest answer.
12/30/2009 12:01 AM
That was actually a well thought-out, reasonable explanation. After reading it, I don't really have a problem. There are no doubt a lot of coaches exploiting loopholes, furry's honest enough to talk about it and share info. (And I use the term loopholes loosely, because quite obviously stuff like pulldowns is not a loophole, it's an intended part of the game.)

If WIS feels like something truly bad is going on, they'll take action. But given what furry has to say about it, I don't agree with those trying to peg him as some sort of dirty cheater.
12/30/2009 12:18 AM
Quote: Originally posted by dcy0827 on 12/29/2009I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I gotta side with Furry on this one. If, (and it's a BIG if), he's sent tickets to CS informing them of issues with the game, and they basically blow him off, then it's not his fault the loopholes are there.  WIS has been informed (supposedly) and chose not to fix the problem.  If the game is not working properly, that's not a coaches fault, that's CS/WIS being to bullheaded and lazy to look into it.Do I think it's right?  Not necessarily, but I don't think it's cheating.  What's a shame is, that as long as this game has been around, there are still so many problems with it that should have been fixed a loooooong time ago that haven't been.....(shrugs shoulders)

We don't disagree often emy, but the Fair Play Guidelines are VERY clear on this.
12/30/2009 7:49 AM
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