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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By coldfeet on 2/07/2010

but what if you dont spend the 20 on HS, you cant see those players. if you cant see them you cant rank or draft them.

that should take care of that.




So I spend 5m and see the best 25%. Because, if you scout high school players at all, wouldn't you scout the best you've read about in Baseball America?
you dont see the best 25%. you see 25% percent of the HS population pool.
2/7/2010 9:05 AM
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well, the way you're stating it, anything is luck...not just sports things:
Walking across the street when there are no cars and not getting hit is just calculated luck.

You do have control in your budget...how much you spend directly and consistently affects your chances of seeing recruits.
2/7/2010 9:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By coldfeet on 2/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By coldfeet on 2/07/2010

but what if you dont spend the 20 on HS, you cant see those players. if you cant see them you cant rank or draft them.

that should take care of that.




So I spend 5m and see the best 25%. Because, if you scout high school players at all, wouldn't you scout the best you've read about in Baseball America?
you dont see the best 25%. you see 25% percent of the HS population pool.



Now you're contracting your other argument. Either I see the best or it's just random. So the Yanks could pick first and the Sux could pick 2nd and, if the Yanks didn't budget the max, they might not know of the guy the Sux picked.

Be consistent.
2/7/2010 9:08 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By nfet on 2/07/2010well, the way you're stating it, anything is luck...not just sports things:
Walking across the street when there are no cars and not getting hit is just calculated luck.

You do have control in your budget...how much you spend directly and consistently affects your chances of seeing recruits.
This isnt a philsophy discussion, but yes I could argue your entire life is based on random odds and events. Think about it, what are the odds that you hit that squirell driving down the highway? You need to leave your house at the right time, drive that exact speed, not change lanes etc... all while that squirell needs to attempt to cross the street at a certain time at a certain speed.... whatever. If you believe in God then it was all planned, either way you have no control, so yes, luck if life.
2/7/2010 9:09 AM
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2/7/2010 9:17 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By coldfeet on 2/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/07/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By coldfeet on 2/07/2010

but what if you dont spend the 20 on HS, you cant see those players. if you cant see them you cant rank or draft them.

that should take care of that.




So I spend 5m and see the best 25%. Because, if you scout high school players at all, wouldn't you scout the best you've read about in Baseball America?
you dont see the best 25%. you see 25% percent of the HS population pool.




Now you're contracting your other argument. Either I see the best or it's just random. So the Yanks could pick first and the Sux could pick 2nd and, if the Yanks didn't budget the max, they might not know of the guy the Sux picked.

Be consistent.
i'd prefer the randomness to negatively affect the team spending 25%. id prefer the randomness to not negatively affect the team spending the max in scouting.

is it realistic that a team drafting #1, that spends the maximum does not see the best players in the country? no. is there room for improvement? yes.



2/7/2010 9:18 AM
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lets assume my biggest franchise need is a catcher. i've put 20/20 into HS/college scouting. lets assume that there is one catcher in the draft that is head and shoulders above the others. a joe mauer type.

i have spent the max, should i not see him? i see the majority of the other lesser catchers, and i do see some other players at positions i do not have a need who could be almost as valuable. what explains my scouts not knowing the stud C existed? dumb luck.

2/7/2010 9:44 AM
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Is it realistic that every team not know the #1 in the country? Personally, I have budgeted 0 in college scouting all my life. But I knew Straussberg was the best pitcher available last season.

It just can't be "Well, yeah, but......"
2/7/2010 10:25 AM
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I might disagree with that Straussberg statement.....lol
2/7/2010 11:35 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/07/2010

Is it realistic that every team not know the #1 in the country? Personally, I have budgeted 0 in college scouting all my life. But I knew Straussberg was the best pitcher available last season.

It just can't be "Well, yeah, but......"

so why take the stance not to reduce randomness? it seems here you are admitting that the best players should be seen by all.

you suggest even teams that budget low should know about the best players available, however allow it to be random what teams can view or draft said player.

why should a team that maximizes scouting budget fail to see any of the top 3 picks? perhaps 2 out of the 3? why deny them the chance to choose amongst all the best?



2/7/2010 12:12 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by coldfeet on 2/07/2010lets assume my biggest franchise need is a catcher. i've put 20/20 into HS/college scouting. lets assume that there is one catcher in the draft that is head and shoulders above the others. a joe mauer type.i have spent the max, should i not see him? i see the majority of the other lesser catchers, and i do see some other players at positions i do not have a need who could be almost as valuable. what explains my scouts not knowing the stud C existed? dumb luck.  

maybe its just me, but even if i saw the C I'd probably still take someone with more league-wide value, if i could...then either trade him or a different, now expendable player for a C plus more. You can strategically change dumb luck into good luck sometimes.

I do like your point about positions though. Adding in a ranking order or scouting funds allotment for positions could add a lot to the draft.

2/7/2010 12:18 PM
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in my example i did not state there were any players with more league wide value. i suggested there were other blue chip prospects. none of which youd choose over the stud C. you should have the opportunity to view the best options and make the choice yourself without a random filter.

i dont get the argument, " sure your scouts missed on the best player in the country, but they did see other guys that are good".

2/7/2010 12:21 PM
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you mean get rid of scouting budgets?
2/7/2010 12:22 PM
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only suggesting they improve what is already in place, hopefully making this game even more realistic.

2/7/2010 12:36 PM
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