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Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 2/10/2010
That misses the point completely. The game is geared so that the whole experience is only fulfilled at D1. Full use of FSS and recruiting tools and having players drafted make D1 more difficult and should be more highly rewarded.

And again, while increased rewards MIGHT increase populations in the lower worlds, it wouldn't do so enough to outweigh the loss in income. Most people want the challenge and to achieve the implied goal of a D1 NC. If they don't, great, let them enjoy the game, but they shouldn't get the same rewards.



wis would be better off making no reduction in points based upon seasons played, but just making different totals of points earned based upon the division played, thus keeping their implied "incentive" to move up. make d1 worth more than d2 than d3, but dont penalize those who make a dynasty at a given level for longevity.
2/10/2010 3:27 PM
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I'd be cool with that as well.
2/10/2010 3:29 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 2/10/2010

That misses the point completely. The game is geared so that the whole experience is only fulfilled at D1. Full use of FSS and recruiting tools and having players drafted make D1 more difficult and should be more highly rewarded.

And again, while increased rewards MIGHT increase populations in the lower worlds, it wouldn't do so enough to outweigh the loss in income. Most people want the challenge and to achieve the implied goal of a D1 NC. If they don't, great, let them enjoy the game, but they shouldn't get the same rewards.




wis would be better off making no reduction in points based upon seasons played, but just making different totals of points earned based upon the division played, thus keeping their implied "incentive" to move up. make d1 worth more than d2 than d3, but dont penalize those who make a dynasty at a given level for longevity.
Depending on the difference, I think this is a very good idea, also.
2/10/2010 4:50 PM
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I suggested several seasons back to CS that they look into adding one more season at DIII. basically you play 3 instead of 2 at 100%. 3 more at 75% insead of 2 etc.

Then DII you play 4 instead of 3 at 100% etc. It doesn't look like much, wouldn't cost them a great deal of money. But would be a pretty huge change to a veteran coach looking to start a new team at a lower division.

They responded that they felt the idea had some merit and would be a consideration down the road.

I for one don't think full rewards points forever at the DIII level is a good thing for WIS. I am positive I could buy a 5 pack and play for the next 2-3 years and never run out of seasons. I have well over 100 seasons over several accounts and believe I understand the game pretty well. 20 of us dropping back down in each world and gobbeling up the rewards designed for entry level players is really not what they have in mind. I did this on another account just 2 seasons back... this season we have been #1 in both the DIII poll and RPI... trust me, without some limits (or a massive influx of coaches into DIII) it would be hard for some veterans not to play relatively free for a long time.
2/10/2010 4:57 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by zags27 on 2/10/2010I suggested several seasons back to CS that they look into adding one more season at DIII. basically you play 3 instead of 2 at 100%. 3 more at 75% insead of 2 etc.Then DII you play 4 instead of 3 at 100% etc. It doesn't look like much, wouldn't cost them a great deal of money. But would be a pretty huge change to a veteran coach looking to start a new team at a lower division.They responded that they felt the idea had some merit and would be a consideration down the road.I for one don't think full rewards points forever at the DIII level is a good thing for WIS. I am positive I could buy a 5 pack and play for the next 2-3 years and never run out of seasons. I have well over 100 seasons over several accounts and believe I understand the game pretty well. 20 of us dropping back down in each world and gobbeling up the rewards designed for entry level players is really not what they have in mind. I did this on another account just 2 seasons back... this season we have been #1 in both the DIII poll and RPI... trust me, without some limits (or a massive influx of coaches into DIII) it would be hard for some veterans not to play relatively free for a long time.

If you believe that you are wrong. You have to average an Elite 8 every single year to play for free - it just doesn't happen.
2/10/2010 5:53 PM
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Unless you are Or/gil/lost
2/10/2010 6:23 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 2/10/2010Unless you are Or/gil/lost

Even they can not do it every single year. Coaches don't play for free. It just doesn't happen and any of those that come anywhere close have spent tons of money.
2/10/2010 6:27 PM
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the argument that people would play for free is idiotic. it was the one thing that irked me about TK. Dude was adamant about how tons of coaches would play for free. Some simple math and you see that its not possible.

Second, customer retention would be higher with more vets in DIII. Not lower. Thats something that the current higher-ups dont see, and i cannot understand why.

HD, from a players perspective, is about a community. A community that is more than happy to help out any new coach. For each person that would *try* and abuse DIII reward points, there would be 50 others that would benefit a world.

But thats what this boils down to. The bread and butter of WIS are the long-term users. And most of those guys are active on the forum and in the CC's. They are helpful to new coaches. and they are great for the game. The way you grow the game is exposing new coaches to this "community" right from the start.

2/10/2010 7:13 PM
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a couple solutions....

eliminate FSS at DIII. many of us have been playing for years. We've grown up with the game. The game itself, is complex. and takes a season or so to learn. Learning to use FSS correctly is a task in itself. It should be gone at DIII.

they've mentioned it, but lose the gift certificates for outside companies (amazon, etc) if its losing money.



also, if you wish to cut costs, eliminate the $1/$2 credit after a user has played 10-15 seasons. Its cool initially, to lure you back in, but i dont pay attention anymore. Maybe even make it slightly higher. $2-$4. Its a great idea, but not necessary after a user has been playing for a while.

Its a "consolation" prize. Its not a motivator.

If one season i made the first round of the NT and "won" 400 reward points, i'm stokes. If the next season i miss out and am given a "consolation" prize of $2. I could care less.

They are equal in value. 400 reward points is around $2. but its kinda stupid in my book.
2/10/2010 7:24 PM
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So there ya go WIS, you want to increase revenue and improve customer retention?
  • Reinstate full reward points across the board
  • Eliminate the "consolation" prize after a user has played 10 seasons
  • Eliminate FSS at DIII
  • Eliminate the outside gift certificates
 Done.  Its actually really simple.  I guarantee a spike in the profits that HD generates
2/10/2010 7:29 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 2/10/2010Unless you are Or/gil/lost
Even they can not do it every single year. Coaches don't play for free. It just doesn't happen and any of those that come anywhere close have spent tons of money.

The last time I paid for HD was on April 3rd, 2008. That was because I had a $100 PayPal voucher that was expiring, so I can't remember if I actually needed the seasons. Before that it was October 15th, 2006.

I currently have 23 seasons remaining and a ton of reward points so it's definitely possible to play this game free for extend periods of time.
2/10/2010 7:30 PM
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there's a select few. but if you run the numbers. Each division would have around 2-3 coaches playing for free.

*edit* under ideal circumstances, that is.

if you had a division with only 10 human, more than likely, all 10 humans would be playing for free
2/10/2010 7:31 PM
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2/10/2010 8:13 PM
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2/10/2010 8:21 PM
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Your resume proves you wrong. You might have played for cheap - but not free.
2/10/2010 9:42 PM
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