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Quote: Originally Posted By bigal888 on 2/10/2010What do you think the distribution of FI coaches should look like?


I don't care what the distribution is. Much like I don't care if we only have 9 SS who are average hitters and 4 pitchers who would qualify as aces. You play the cards you're given.

Or you cry until ADMIN gives you new cards.
2/10/2010 4:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By deathinahole on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By steelerstime on 2/10/2010

Part I like the best. I sent in a ticket (12/30/2009) that there were only a total of 30 FI available for 32 teams in one world.

Customer support answer:]

"There are a dozen or so coaches capable of being a fielding instructor (especially as they age) looking for alternative roles throughout the minors.


That's the correct answer. Too bad it didn't stay as such.

I'm pretty sure I suggested something like that on Page 1... and I've never complained to CS to even know that they were of the same mindset.

Too bad they've caved to the whining masses......
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Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 2/10/2010holy crap, he was a steal. i didn't feel like dealing with the headache so i just offered $501K to the highest rated guy with 0 offers...as it turns out, 6 FI's rated between 50 and 55 got $1.2M+ and as much as $1.9M. suckers


you little *****... i spent the 1.9. i stayed completely out of the FI bidding. i needed a FI coach and had 1.9 million remaining. its not like i could transfer those funds somewhere else. funny thing is he is a one time DH. my fielding coach is pete incaviglia.

2/10/2010 4:49 PM
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So you think every owner should be able to maximize his prospect's progression? Why have coaches?
2/10/2010 4:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/10/2010
cjl, you're getting a FI. He's just not meeting YOUR standards. Much like I have a CF. He's just not meeting my standards.

Don't you see the similarities?

I understand what you're saying, I just think you are missing the point. It is my opinion that if we have 30 FI coaches with ratings from 85 down to 45 that we should have another 10-15 coaches with ratings from 40-45. I don't think that the median needs to be raised -- the market will set availability. I just don't think its acceptable for any number of franchise to have to go hire someone who coaches a different position to coach FI. Using your example, it would be like you had to play a pitcher in CF -- he's a CF, he just doesn't meet your standards. I'd beleive there should just be more crappy CF (worse than the ones in world now) generated for your world than have to go grab one from another position.
2/10/2010 4:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By deathinahole on 2/10/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By steelerstime on 2/10/2010

Part I like the best. I sent in a ticket (12/30/2009) that there were only a total of 30 FI available for 32 teams in one world.

Customer support answer:]

"There are a dozen or so coaches capable of being a fielding instructor (especially as they age) looking for alternative roles throughout the minors.


That's the correct answer. Too bad it didn't stay as such.

I'm pretty sure I suggested something like that on Page 1... and I've never complained to CS to even know that they were of the same mindset.

Too bad they've caved to the whining masses......

I must have glossed over it. You probably said it wrong.
2/10/2010 4:50 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By bigal888 on 2/10/2010What do you think the distribution of FI coaches should look like? I don't care what the distribution is.  Much like I don't care if we only have 9 SS who are average hitters and 4 pitchers who would qualify as aces.  You play the cards you're given.Or you cry until ADMIN gives you new cards.


I'm not whining or crying to admin at all over this - I agree that you play the cards you are dealt. But I do think it is reasonable to analyze the distribution and see if it really is close to what you would expect.
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Quote: Originally Posted By cjlancaster on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/10/2010

cjl, you're getting a FI. He's just not meeting YOUR standards. Much like I have a CF. He's just not meeting my standards.

Don't you see the similarities?

I understand what you're saying, I just think you are missing the point. It is my opinion that if we have 30 FI coaches with ratings from 85 down to 45 that we should have another 10-15 coaches with ratings from 40-45. I don't think that the median needs to be raised -- the market will set availability. I just don't think its acceptable for any number of franchise to have to go hire someone who coaches a different position to coach FI. Using your example, it would be like you had to play a pitcher in CF -- he's a CF, he just doesn't meet your standards. I'd beleive there should just be more crappy CF (worse than the ones in world now) generated for your world than have to go grab one from another position.



Good lord. I can turn any player into a CF. Doesn't mean he's CF-quality. So, if I want CF-quality, I'll pay for it. Now change player to coach and CF to FI. Then you'll understand.
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Quote: Originally Posted By bigal888 on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By bigal888 on 2/10/2010What do you think the distribution of FI coaches should look like?



I don't care what the distribution is. Much like I don't care if we only have 9 SS who are average hitters and 4 pitchers who would qualify as aces. You play the cards you're given.

Or you cry until ADMIN gives you new cards.


I'm not whining or crying to admin at all over this - I agree that you play the cards you are dealt. But I do think it is reasonable to analyze the distribution and see if it really is close to what you would expect


Who cares what you expect? I expect to have better players. Doesn't mean WifS should create more to meet my expectations.
2/10/2010 4:53 PM
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Back to what I was trying to say before the redline police busted me.

Part of the problem with FC's is that they tend to resign with their previous teams for well below market value, this driving up the price for the very few remaining decent FC's to obscenely high levels.

Take a look at the FC's from the recently completed coach hiring in MG. You can see that of the 15 coaches rated 80+ in IQ, 11 of them signed for $750k or lower. The other 4 each signed for over $5m. Why? Because there were only 4 good coaches on the open market for over 20 owners to compete for.

There certainly is a good distribution of fielding coaches available . . . the perceived problem of supply and demand is really a problem with the FC's resigning for way below a fair open market price, thus creating an artificial supply problem as the good ones are getting signed for dirt cheap.

If the rehire phase was changed such that FC's salary demands for returning was similar to what bench coaches, pitching coaches and hitting coaches are demanding (between $2m and $3m), some owners wouldn't be so quick to rehire them at $750k, meaning there would be more of a supply on the open market at general hiring time.

I think the real problem that most people had was one of perception rather than reality.
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