Quote: Originally Posted By daalter on 2/25/2010
Here's a question: Who's won the most titles with different teams? (And I freely admit it's a bit self-serving, as I have five titles, all w. different teams.)



I think I've got you Dalter. I've won with Brandeis (D3 Rupp), Post (D2 Rupp), UCLA (D1 Tark), Northeastern St. (twice) in (D2 Tark), Assumption (D2 Phelan), and Anderson (D2 Naismith).

Seven titles with six different teams.

***Edit*** Unlike some coaches who seem to be able to only win with the glitchy defense (and we know which one that is, don't we Vandy), I've won titles running Motion/Flex/Triangle and Man/Zone/Press. Never once had a Fastbreak team in all my seasons of HD, so I can't claim that one, but I've won running ALL the other ones. I wonder who else can claim that?

Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 2/25/2010

Quote: Originally posted by daalter on 2/25/2010 Here's a question: Who's won the most titles with different teams? (And I freely admit it's a bit self-serving, as I have five titles, all w. different teams.)

I'd want to see the season/title ratio if we went just on that. Many coaches have 3+ titles, but do it in 150+ seasons. Other coaches have 2-3 titles, but in under 50 seasons. One this account it only has 24 seasons and has 2 titles with 2 other title games. Another of mine has something like 6 seasons with 1 title. Another has 11 seasons with 2 title games but 0 titles. Winning titles is being the best, but anyone who has stuck it out for 100+ seasons *SHOULD* have at least 4 titles. I know if I am around by season 100 on this account I'll likely get a good 8+ more.



*disclaimer* I am not trying to put myself in the top. I know where I stand. I am just saying I have not seen any of the newer guys other then gil who have had success, but don't have 10+ teams like the other coaches listed to build up seasons played.


Newer guys would be someone like brianp who has like 3 titles in probably 40ish seasons, but his first 10+ he was still learning. Halfastros would be another. Idk how new clone is, but not many have really mentioned him either.


You make a valid point Furry, but you also have to take into consideration that some coaches enjoy trying to rebuild teams. Because of that, it would absolutely kill their seasons/titles ratio. Furthermore, some of these rebuilds come in D1 conferences which destroys their seasons/titles ratios even more.

For instance, I took over a pretty bad Iowa State team in Allen and if I EVER win a title there, it'll be many, many, many seasons in the future. That team alone will lessen my seasons/titles ratio significantly. Just something to consider.......

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 2/25/2010Furry, all due respect, but you just can't compare a DII/DIII rebuild with a DI, particularly a rebuild in a power conference where you're basically a whipping boy. Not even remotely on the same level. As someone said earlier in this thread, any solid coach who knows how to recruit can turn around a team at the lower levels.

Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 2/25/2010

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 2/25/2010 Furry, all due respect, but you just can't compare a DII/DIII rebuild with a DI, particularly a rebuild in a power conference where you're basically a whipping boy. Not even remotely on the same level. As someone said earlier in this thread, any solid coach who knows how to recruit can turn around a team at the lower levels.

If he gamed the system, he'd by B+/A prestige by now. All he has to do is make it so he goes 10-0 in non conf (fairly easy to do) and then win what, 6 games in conf? That isn't even going .500. He makes the NT 1 or 2 times and his prestige flies up. Its really not that hard.



If the role is flipped and you are a weak team, just go for wins. Everyone knows high amount of wins + a decent RPI will give you a top 5 seed. Win a game or 2 for 2-3 seasons and watch the prestige slowly go up. Until this point, to be competitive you'll want to take a walk on or 2. When you get the prestige in the B range at that point you are 'built up' and can recruit to fill all the ships yearly.


Furry, you do realize that not everyone likes to "game" the system, right? Some people actually try to play the game the right way, you know. To echo Dalter's sentiments, when you take over a rebuild in a BCS conference and win a title in a handful of seasons, then come with your advice. Otherwise, you're speaking on topics that you haven't experienced. Is it fairly easy to take over a rebuild in D2/D3 and win a title? Sure, I've done it a couple of times myself. But to do it in D1 is a completely different animal.......

Quote: Originally Posted By brianp87 on 2/25/2010
I actually think a d1 rebuild is easier then d3 in fuller worlds. I am not sure about sim filled d3 but wooden d3 vrs wooden d1 then d1 is easier in my opinion.



It might be easier to do in Wooden, due to the fact that Wooden D3 is loaded, but I think it's fairly safe to say that rebuilding a "title" contender is much easier in D3 than in D1. I would go so far as to say that anyone who thinks the opposite is true, that rebuilding a team to compete for a title, is easier in D3 than in D1 prrrrobably doesn't have a whole lot of experience at the D1 level. It's a totally different animal up there.

And I'd like to issue you a challenge Brian. If you can take over a D1 team in Wooden, and take that team to a title in say, six seasons or less (because Wooden D1 is easier, remember), then I'll buy you a ten pack of seasons is a reward for your accomplishment. My guess is you can't, so what do you say? You up for it?

***Edit*** I see you already have a team in Wooden (Northern Arizona in the Big Sky). Conference that is basically half Sims. No wonder you think it's easier. I will go ahead and point out though that in the five seasons you've been there, you've managed to win ONE NT game, so explain to me again how it's easier to rebuild a team into a "title" contender in D1?

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 2/25/2010Furry, I think you need to actually experience DI before you're qualified to dispense advice on it. Not trying to downplay your other accomplishments and you've come an extremely long way since the early days, but that's just the truth.