The Press Was Always A Glitch Topic

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play that zone so I can light it up from 3. That's its weakness.
5/28/2010 12:09 AM
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vandy - I think the press most took advantage of a certain type of player (ath, sp ,def), my guess is man to man or zone or some combo defense will now do so (I have an idea which one already, as I am sure many do), I have proposed some idea's on how to troubleshoot the inequities, but if you sit back and logically think about it, some defense is going to give coaches some edge over the others if the defense becomes too powerful, just like some rating (be it ath, sp, def, iq, or stamina) will give some edge if too powerful - the secret to this game from seble's POV is to restrain any advantage while not crippling it.

here is a new engine prediction, for 6 months to about two years, some coaches are going to take advantage of what the 'new' glitches are and get post some pretty wild advantages over the rest - here is a second prediction, among those coaches will be many familiar names, I will be shocked if tanner, lostm, billyg are not among those capitalizing on the new glitches

I have NEVER disagreed with your notion about the FCP - although I think you have played longer than I have, and you recall at one point it was a forum fact the fcp did not work - what I would disagree with is the notion of not utilizing whatever glitch is available - as that appears to be the fundamental premise behind this game.

I have sent in tickets most of the time when I see glitches, the one exception was very early in my own playing days when I used a strategy that I did not even realize was a glitch, daalter actually convinced tarek that my strategy was a glitch, and tarek changed the engine - it crippled the dt function in man to man and led to the fcp era - daalter and I still laugh about that, he sent me an email about a week later - I already had fixed my teams, when a team goes from winning by 40 to losing by 40 and the engine got changed, it is pretty obvious what happened

going to be interesting - looks like seble can change things quickly now, so hopefully the new era will lead to a better product - for now - the jury is still out
5/28/2010 9:23 AM
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OR, I'm still bitter about the fact that maj beat me in the DII Allen title game using the multiple DT strategy/glitch right before it got fixed ... despite me knowing exactly who he was going to DT beforehand and adjusting everything accordingly, lol.
5/28/2010 9:51 AM
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what exactly was that glitch? I used to DT a lot in the early days but eventually stopped because it stopped being effective. I somewhat remember talking about this before but forget what happened.
5/28/2010 10:19 AM
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maj and I invented a defense, the opposite of -5 and dt the guards, it was +2 and dt the big men, it worked awesome, tried it as a joke more than anything, had no idea how well it was going to work

daalter would know the tarek details more than I, but from what I understand, the +2 shut down the guards, and the dt the big men cause ridulous rebounding. in that era we would play 3 guard lineups, and still lead the nation in rebouding.

the night tarek changed it, I had a #1 ranked team lose in the national tourny by 30 or 40 pts, and get outrebounded something like 40 to 10. My only complaint to tarek back then was major engine changes should occur at end of seasons, by and large, tarek followed that rule thereafter.

5/28/2010 10:33 AM
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Yeah, I really didn't think anything of it at first because so many people (myself included) also used the minus defense w. multiple perimeter double teams at various points. The resorter model was the inverse of that.

But what I noticed about the resorter defense was that their rebounding #'s were absolutely through the roof. I brought the #'s to TK's attention, the first 2-3 times he blew me off (as per usual).

Finally I got him to take a closer look at it and found that there was an error in the code that should have been making rebounding weaker while using that defensive set-up, but instead was making it much, much stronger.
5/28/2010 10:39 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/27/2010For the past 3-4 years at least the press defense has operated ridculously effectively with almost no detriments.Now that it appears that press teams are actually having to deal with stamina issues, foul issues, and giving up open shots (all the reasons why the press isn't run with any regularity or success in real life), press owners are slamming HD and talking about how unfair it all is.Press has performed as one big glitch for the past few years, if that has finally been fixed press owners have little right to complain, rather they should rightfully feel that the cookie jar is finally being attempted to be shut.For years I have argued that the press has been magic and it appears the new developer agrees, hopefully that is being changed...
For years you have whined, not argued. Squeaky ***** gets the grease.
5/28/2010 3:52 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by reinsel on 5/27/2010Maryland in Allen is a high profile press team that is 0-2, but they have 1 senior, 2 juniors and only 5 players with a stamina of 80 or better and only 1 at 90.  They are getting wore out and tired.Miami is doing fine, just beat #8 Syracuse, crushed sucky Mercer, and they have 4 seniors, 2 juniors and 4 sophomores.  7 players with 80 or more stamina, 3 with 90+.  Its not like press is bad for everyone, its just what us non-press coaches have said for years.  If you try to press a team when you are slower, less athletic and have less depth, you should get beat.  That is happening now.  Press continues to work for athletic, deep, talented teams.

Nope, I don't have "stellar" stamina ratings, but, if 50 is average, on a 100 scale, 80 should be pretty darned good.

I'm also not playing uptempo, instead either normal or slow down, to help with stamina issues. AND, I'm trying really hard to keep all the minutes under 23 or so. I dunno, I would think 23 minutes, normal tempo offense, anyone above a 75 rating or so should be able to handle pressing.

I've always been a fan of pressing - I look at teams like Maryland (in real life) who rarely have the talent some of their opponents have, and they press a lot with pretty good success. My complaint with the new engine isn't stamina as much as fouls committed, which just seem high to me.

Maryland in Allen (my team) is pretty young, and it is showing. I'll be curious to see where these guys are at the middle of next season.
5/28/2010 4:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 5/28/2010
Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/27/2010
For the past 3-4 years at least the press defense has operated ridculously effectively with almost no detriments.

Now that it appears that press teams are actually having to deal with stamina issues, foul issues, and giving up open shots (all the reasons why the press isn't run with any regularity or success in real life), press owners are slamming HD and talking about how unfair it all is.

Press has performed as one big glitch for the past few years, if that has finally been fixed press owners have little right to complain, rather they should rightfully feel that the cookie jar is finally being attempted to be shut.

For years I have argued that the press has been magic and it appears the new developer agrees, hopefully that is being changed...
For years you have whined, not argued. Squeaky ***** gets the grease


Argued, whined, call it what you will. But he was right and has been the whole time.......
5/28/2010 4:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 5/28/2010
maj and I invented a defense, the opposite of -5 and dt the guards, it was +2 and dt the big men, it worked awesome, tried it as a joke more than anything, had no idea how well it was going to work

daalter would know the tarek details more than I, but from what I understand, the +2 shut down the guards, and the dt the big men cause ridulous rebounding. in that era we would play 3 guard lineups, and still lead the nation in rebouding.

the night tarek changed it, I had a #1 ranked team lose in the national tourny by 30 or 40 pts, and get outrebounded something like 40 to 10. My only complaint to tarek back then was major engine changes should occur at end of seasons, by and large, tarek followed that rule thereafter.

ah yeah, i remember that. My brother and I lost multiple NT (and I think I lost a championship game) games to you and maj in DIII Iba to that defense. Always ticked me off because I thought I had a better team and I used to gameplan my *** off back then. Off course I was too stupid to try it myself.
5/28/2010 4:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 5/28/2010
Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/27/2010
For the past 3-4 years at least the press defense has operated ridculously effectively with almost no detriments.

Now that it appears that press teams are actually having to deal with stamina issues, foul issues, and giving up open shots (all the reasons why the press isn't run with any regularity or success in real life), press owners are slamming HD and talking about how unfair it all is.

Press has performed as one big glitch for the past few years, if that has finally been fixed press owners have little right to complain, rather they should rightfully feel that the cookie jar is finally being attempted to be shut.

For years I have argued that the press has been magic and it appears the new developer agrees, hopefully that is being changed...
For years you have whined, not argued. Squeaky ***** gets the grease
no, for the first couple years i argued to deaf ears, then i simply quit mentioning it until we got a new admin
5/28/2010 5:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dcy0827 on 5/28/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 5/28/2010

Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/27/2010

For the past 3-4 years at least the press defense has operated ridculously effectively with almost no detriments.

Now that it appears that press teams are actually having to deal with stamina issues, foul issues, and giving up open shots (all the reasons why the press isn't run with any regularity or success in real life), press owners are slamming HD and talking about how unfair it all is.

Press has performed as one big glitch for the past few years, if that has finally been fixed press owners have little right to complain, rather they should rightfully feel that the cookie jar is finally being attempted to be shut.

For years I have argued that the press has been magic and it appears the new developer agrees, hopefully that is being changed...
For years you have whined, not argued. Squeaky ***** gets the grease.



Argued, whined, call it what you will. But he was right and has been the whole time.......
TRUE FACT!
5/28/2010 5:17 PM
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fwiw, I agree with and respect vandy_dave's decision to not use the press defense because it wasn't genuine as far as the game was/is concerned. I would have done the same thing as I have done/do the same things in other push button games if I find a glitch I don't/try not to use it because it makes the game too easy, unrealistic, not genuine, etc. I respect vandy_dave for wanting to win "fair and square" even in a game where you're competing against fellow human beings for some fairly legitimate prizes.
5/28/2010 5:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 5/28/2010fwiw, I agree with and respect vandy_dave's decision to not use the press defense because it wasn't genuine as far as the game was/is concerned. I would have done the same thing as I have done/do the same things in other push button games if I find a glitch I don't/try not to use it because it makes the game too easy, unrealistic, not genuine, etc. I respect vandy_dave for wanting to win "fair and square" even in a game where you're competing against fellow human beings for some fairly legitimate prizes
VD, you're in really tremendous company. Nice work.
5/28/2010 6:53 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/28/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 5/28/2010
fwiw, I agree with and respect vandy_dave's decision to not use the press defense because it wasn't genuine as far as the game was/is concerned. I would have done the same thing as I have done/do the same things in other push button games if I find a glitch I don't/try not to use it because it makes the game too easy, unrealistic, not genuine, etc. I respect vandy_dave for wanting to win "fair and square" even in a game where you're competing against fellow human beings for some fairly legitimate prizes.
VD, you're in really tremendous company. Nice work
company? thats my alias...
5/28/2010 7:15 PM
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