Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/28/2010Dalter, I think you're way off base on how the old engine was.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 5/28/2010
THis is the same COlonels, who was constantly bitterly complaining about how completely broken the old engine was, right? No, I never said that, and I had suggested all along that I don't/didn't trust in seble's ability to better the game anyhow. I always held steadfast that the ills of the odd randomness wouldn't necessarily be addressed or fixed in this update...the fact that they changed where the RNGs were generated was basically meaningless. If the game as it was, was as unbearable as you all are saying that I said it was, then I would have stopped playing a long time ago. The fact is, this was and still is the best CBB game out there, period. And saying anyone who didn't agree with him was just a "WIS apologist"? That Colonels? Again, now we have something to compare it to...the old engine compared to nothing was questionable...the old engine compared to the new engine seems rather/very solid, especially in these early stages.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 5/28/2010
Its a breathtaking spectacle to watch you revise history on the fly.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 5/28/2010Its a breathtaking spectacle to watch you revise history on the fly.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 5/28/2010Dalter, I think you're way off base on how the old engine was

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/28/2010
Keep it rolling.

dcy, the old engine was terribly flawed. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the coaches who were most successful in it owe a lot of their success to the ability to exploit those flaws.

And we want to stay with that engine?

Of course I understand what you're saying -- it's kind of like the evil you know vs. the evil that you don't know. But at least in this case, we know that the evil we don't know has the chance to be converted to good. The evil that we know is just flat-out evil.

It's really kind of astonishing to me how many people don't realize the extent to which the old engine was fubar'd.



Only until the new one is working correctly. Then, once the new engine is working as intended, switch. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 5/28/2010

Quote: Originally posted by dcy0827 on 5/28/2010 The new engine is flawed, I think we all agree with this. How flawed is everyone's own opinion. What I can't understand is why coaches who are in worlds with the old engine would actually WANT to play under a new engine that we know needs fixed, instead of letting them fix it and playing under a smooth running engine. Sorry, but that just seems *** backwards to me.....

You're arguing in other threads that the press is (and has been) way too strong. So obviously you think the current engine is seriously flawed.

Keep it going as is, people are upset because they know about the flaws of the old engine, and while the new engine has some flaws, seble is much better able to fix those flaws quickly and the more people who see it, the more bugs that will be found


Yes I think it's seriously flawed and that's why I'd rather play under the old one while the new one is being fixed.

As for the second part, that's what the beta test was supposed to be used for. Well, we all see how that got dicked up and if I'm gonna have to PAY to beta test for WIS, then I think I deserve some sort of compensation. Wouldn't you?

Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 5/28/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/28/2010

Keep it rolling.

dcy, the old engine was terribly flawed. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the coaches who were most successful in it owe a lot of their success to the ability to exploit those flaws.

And we want to stay with that engine?

Of course I understand what you're saying -- it's kind of like the evil you know vs. the evil that you don't know. But at least in this case, we know that the evil we don't know has the chance to be converted to good. The evil that we know is just flat-out evil.

It's really kind of astonishing to me how many people don't realize the extent to which the old engine was fubar'd.




Only until the new one is working correctly. Then, once the new engine is working as intended, switch. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/28/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 5/28/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/28/2010

Keep it rolling.

dcy, the old engine was terribly flawed. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the coaches who were most successful in it owe a lot of their success to the ability to exploit those flaws.

And we want to stay with that engine?

Of course I understand what you're saying -- it's kind of like the evil you know vs. the evil that you don't know. But at least in this case, we know that the evil we don't know has the chance to be converted to good. The evil that we know is just flat-out evil.

It's really kind of astonishing to me how many people don't realize the extent to which the old engine was fubar'd.




Only until the new one is working correctly. Then, once the new engine is working as intended, switch. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

Sure, I comprehend it. But I think that the old engine was at least as flawed as what we have right now. (People may have gotten used to them and adjusted, but it had some inherent flaws that were downright ridiculous.) So with that in mind, I don't see the redeeming value in continuing with the old engine


I usually see eye-to-eye with your responses, but we'll just have to agree to disagree about this one.

After all those months of "testing", all the hype about the new engine and all the shiny new bells and whistles that it was supposed to have, and we get this piece of **** delivered to us. A turd which immediately had to be pulled back due to the amount and seriousness of the flaws involved. Nope, sorry, I think the old one is still better (for now). When the new one is fixed, hey great, pour it on, but for now I'll stick with the one we had, thanks.

And Dalter, while I respect your opinion very much, please don't patronize me by telling me how bad the old engine was. I've played this game nearly as long as you have, and I realize that the old engine had it's drawbacks. But please don't respond to me like I'm some kind of new jack, I've been around for a minute or two also...............

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/28/2010
Sorry, didn't mean to be patronizing at all. You know I respect you. Just pointing out that I feel the old engine was garbage, so I don't think sticking with it helps anything.



And I may have read too much into your comments, in which case, I apologize.

Well, it's midnight and I have to be up for work in about 5 hours (damn inmates never take a day off...the bastards!), so it's off to bed I go. Hopefully the engine will be a little more fine tuned tomorrow and a little more the day after that...........