Posted by vandydave on 8/14/2010 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Fact: these mid to low D1 recruits are much much worse than previous recruits at the same level

Fact: coaches are dropping teams or dropping divisions because of these new recruits

Fact: the majority of Hd coaches articulate they prefer less sim teams rather than more sim teams

Fact: With the exception of a small handful of elite recruits, these high D1 recruits are also much much worse than previous recruits at the same level.

Fact: coaches who give up and drop teams because they can't adjust their expectations to match the new environment probably would have gotten their ***** handed to them anyway.

Fact: Low and mid-D1 conferences had massive vacancy issues long before this change, and the solution to that problem has nothing whatsoever to do with recruit generation.

My vote's "Against", by the way.

None of those are facts.

Your kind doesn't believe in facts anyway. It's all faith with you people.

Posted by blazor on 8/14/2010 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 8/14/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by blazor on 8/14/2010 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 8/14/2010 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Against, of course. The new recruit diversity at D1 is, in my opinion the best thing that has happened to HD in a long time. I love it. It is why I am actually adding teams, after having dropped all of them.

Cbriese, if you prefer the change, of course that's fine.  But remember, you may not think very much of it if too many of your fellow owners keep folding up shop and quitting.  Have you stopped to look at some of the other conferences in D1 other than your own?  Far too many of them are almost completely empty.  A trend that very well may not stop if a change is not made.  Just saying.

Please provide the statistical evidence to support the theory that the recent change in recruit generation has already contributed to reduced numbers in various conferences across divisions in all WIS worlds. Please extrapolate the data to show the results in three month periods if a change is not made. Please differentiate the effects from this change as compared to the effects from other changes in the game. Please account for seasonal fluctuation, adjustments in marketing strategies, and historical retention rates. And, as any high school math teacher will remind you, please show your work.

When you have done that, then we can have an intelligent discussion. Until then, everything anyone (including me) says will happen is merely speculation. If you are good at that, please tell me what the DJIA will finish at next Friday, August 20. That's only a week away; you should have most of the data already.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

First of all rocket scientist, I did not create this thread in an attempt to try and start a ******* contest.  If that's what you're interested in, I suggest you pull the car over at the next convenience store and ask the attendant for the key to the men's room.

But if it is truly facts that you crave, here are some "facts" for you...

In Rupp alone...

Atlantic 10 (7 Coaches, 5 SIMS)
Big Sky (6 coaches, 6 SIMS)
Big South (2 coaches, 10 SIMS)
Big West (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Colonial (1 coach, 11 SIMS)
Conference USA (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Horizon (3 coaches, 9 SIMS)
Ivy League (8 coaches, 4 SIMS)
MAC (2 coaches, 10 SIMS)
Metro-Atlantic (3 coaches, 9 SIMS)
Mid-Eastern (2 coaches, 10 SIMS)
Missouri Valley (2 coaches, 10 SIMS)
Mountain West (6 coaches, 6 SIMS)
Northeast (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Ohio Valley (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Patriot League (3 coaches, 9 SIMS)
Southern (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Southland (5 coaches, 7 SIMS)
SUMMIT (3 coaches, 9 SIMS)
Sun Belt (5 coaches, 7 SIMS)
WCC (7 coaches, 5 SIMS)

I have left the elite conferences off for obvious reasons, as they will be the very last to suffer from this occurance.
Any long time HD coach can tell you that this NEVER used to be the case!
Can you guys remember the days of being in DII and choosing to stay because there were no decent DI jobs available?  I know I can and I haven't been here as long as many of you.

Is that enough "statistical data" for you Cbriese, or do we need someone to do the math for you too?  Or perhaps you'd rather just wait for even MORE coaches to quit, WIS to start shutting down or consolidating worlds before you're satisfied.  Because if you can't see the problem with these simple numbers, there's nothing else I can do for you.

is there anything in there that proves people are leaving because of the recruits?

any stats you try to produce are extremely skewed by other flaws stemming from the new engine, and players quitting is absolutely not restricted to division 1

By that measure, Vandy, you saying recruiting is the issue and will DOOM all lower level teams to suckitude is not a 'Fact' either, yet you treat it like it is.

TRUE FACT!

Add in the economy. . .

Posted by a_in_the_b on 8/14/2010 6:02:00 PM (view original):
By that measure, Vandy, you saying recruiting is the issue and will DOOM all lower level teams to suckitude is not a 'Fact' either, yet you treat it like it is.

I genuinely believe you have never made a post I agree with. You must be a very bizarre person in real life. Not meant as a slam, just noticing the trend...

Posted by blazor on 8/14/2010 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 8/14/2010 2:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by blazor on 8/14/2010 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cbriese on 8/14/2010 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Against, of course. The new recruit diversity at D1 is, in my opinion the best thing that has happened to HD in a long time. I love it. It is why I am actually adding teams, after having dropped all of them.

Cbriese, if you prefer the change, of course that's fine.  But remember, you may not think very much of it if too many of your fellow owners keep folding up shop and quitting.  Have you stopped to look at some of the other conferences in D1 other than your own?  Far too many of them are almost completely empty.  A trend that very well may not stop if a change is not made.  Just saying.

Please provide the statistical evidence to support the theory that the recent change in recruit generation has already contributed to reduced numbers in various conferences across divisions in all WIS worlds. Please extrapolate the data to show the results in three month periods if a change is not made. Please differentiate the effects from this change as compared to the effects from other changes in the game. Please account for seasonal fluctuation, adjustments in marketing strategies, and historical retention rates. And, as any high school math teacher will remind you, please show your work.

When you have done that, then we can have an intelligent discussion. Until then, everything anyone (including me) says will happen is merely speculation. If you are good at that, please tell me what the DJIA will finish at next Friday, August 20. That's only a week away; you should have most of the data already.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

First of all rocket scientist, I did not create this thread in an attempt to try and start a ******* contest.  If that's what you're interested in, I suggest you pull the car over at the next convenience store and ask the attendant for the key to the men's room.

But if it is truly facts that you crave, here are some "facts" for you...

In Rupp alone...

Atlantic 10 (7 Coaches, 5 SIMS)
Big Sky (6 coaches, 6 SIMS)
Big South (2 coaches, 10 SIMS)
Big West (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Colonial (1 coach, 11 SIMS)
Conference USA (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Horizon (3 coaches, 9 SIMS)
Ivy League (8 coaches, 4 SIMS)
MAC (2 coaches, 10 SIMS)
Metro-Atlantic (3 coaches, 9 SIMS)
Mid-Eastern (2 coaches, 10 SIMS)
Missouri Valley (2 coaches, 10 SIMS)
Mountain West (6 coaches, 6 SIMS)
Northeast (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Ohio Valley (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Patriot League (3 coaches, 9 SIMS)
Southern (4 coaches, 8 SIMS)
Southland (5 coaches, 7 SIMS)
SUMMIT (3 coaches, 9 SIMS)
Sun Belt (5 coaches, 7 SIMS)
WCC (7 coaches, 5 SIMS)

I have left the elite conferences off for obvious reasons, as they will be the very last to suffer from this occurance.
Any long time HD coach can tell you that this NEVER used to be the case!
Can you guys remember the days of being in DII and choosing to stay because there were no decent DI jobs available?  I know I can and I haven't been here as long as many of you.

Is that enough "statistical data" for you Cbriese, or do we need someone to do the math for you too?  Or perhaps you'd rather just wait for even MORE coaches to quit, WIS to start shutting down or consolidating worlds before you're satisfied.  Because if you can't see the problem with these simple numbers, there's nothing else I can do for you.

Rupp it a tard world anyway.  i say drop the whole world and slide those coaches into a real world.

And now I find myself on the same side of an argument as pinkeye.

I vote Nay.  Looks like the no's have it.  oops, this thread really backfired.

Yep, let's all just wait and see. I'm sure that water slowly coming in the bottom of the boat is nothing to worry about, let's just adapt to the rising water.

Posted by cbriese on 8/14/2010 6:06:00 PM (view original):
And now I find myself on the same side of an argument as pinkeye.

i don't know you, stalker.

Posted by a_in_the_b on 8/14/2010 4:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dilo on 8/14/2010 4:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by vandydave on 8/14/2010 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Fact: these mid to low D1 recruits are much much worse than previous recruits at the same level

Fact: coaches are dropping teams or dropping divisions because of these new recruits

Fact: the majority of Hd coaches articulate they prefer less sim teams rather than more sim teams

Couldn't agree more.  One compelling data set should be: how many coaches do not like the changes?  how many are leaving?  how many are switching teams/divisions?  And how many have 20+ seasons of experience?  If I was WIS, that would be the primary data set I would examine.  When you churn a quorum of loyal customers, that's of concern.

Hey, new Coke may not have tasted badly ... but people preferred the old recipe.

What makes you think you have a quorum?  Hell, you don't even seem to have a quorum of those responding on this THREAD, and people who aren't upset generally don't tend to respond on message boards as much as those who do(Edit)(As those who are upset.), so things like this are biased to make passions look greater than they really are,.

I didn't say we have a quorum.  I was saying that if you consider this an important data point, and if there is a quorum of coaches that churn, that's cause for concern.  I should point out that the thread, though, hasnt been up all that long.