Which is nice. (It's in the hole! This unknown youngster!)

I think people can change their minds. And in the sitemails he and I exchanged he was contrite and apologetic.

And even if it was a snow-job and he has ulterior motives, who cares? 1) He doesn't affect you. 2) Even if he is just all about beefing up is record, he actually still IS doing what he's saying, like being a mentor to new owners, helping police things and in general doing all of the right things. I understand that you think he's looking for accolades here for what he's done and how selfless he is being, but again, can't he just be doing the right thing? If the dude in Clarkson is a bornlosers alias, and I think we can all agree on that point, isn't what he's doing on the surface of things ok?

As plague said, I'd buy into his BS a little bit more if he wasn't snatching up the best team available on his humanitarian missions.   In Foxx, he has the best team so there's no reason to force the ouster of the cheater.   In Clarkson, he doesn't.  So what does he do?  Comes to the forums to attempt to remove the cheater.  Read the chat in Clarkson.   He's laughable.  I WILL KEEP THIS WORLD FROM EVER FILLING IF JCPJRHP DOESN'T LEAVE!!!

As I said, he's a hypocrite and a liar.  He's also looking for a big ol' pat on the back for his monumentous efforts. 

FWIW, the point regarding the super team (soxfan's) in Clarkson is invalid. It's there on the public chat also but he's said it before, and multiple times....he'd be very happy to break that team up and redistribute it's talents. Soxfan also took on Erffy's old team in Major Leagues which was in some pretty bad shape and stuck around to build it up. I think soxfan is a bit overzealous and even boisterous at times, but he is a solid player and I think the judgement being passed on him by some seems to be unfortunate. The whole story speaks for itself. There is quite a bit more evidence leaning towards him being a decent owner trying to help out an awful lot, especially with newer players (which is a good thing for all of us), then there is toward him being a bad seed.

 

Tunnel vision does not help one to see the whole picture, and the more we open ourselves to the knowledge of things, the better informed our opinions may be.

FWIW, after he took to super team in Foxx, he proclaimed that "I will continue to dismantle this team with fair deals.   I'll be trading legit BL players for younger prospects of similar quality."  Which is exactly what bornlosers was doing.   Once a player was old and expensive, he'd deal him for young and cheap.  That a fantastic way to keep a team powerful while chasing down high-priced IFA.   The only difference was that soxfan wasn't going to be trading with himself.

Like I have already said, Im the guy that should have the biggest beef with jrcpga.  Im the guy that finished 2nd to him like 15 times.  And every year that I made the wildcard I was knocked out by him.  So if he's cheating I got the worst of it.

I just don't see it.  Unless he has another team in this world under a different username, I just don't see what he has done wrong.  I looked at his trades.  He has made some great trades but he trades certain types of players for the type of players he likes and it works.

Trading with noobs and winning alot isn't against the rules.  If someone from Clarkson wants to bring me up to speed and tell me what Im missing Id like to hear it.

Without looking at the trade history(because I don't care that much), my guess is he's trading older, expensive players for young, cheap players.   While there are no rules against it, doing it with n00bs is a bit shady.  They don't know any better but they see an All-Star level LF coming their way.   Unfortunately, they're giving up two future studs and are improving their 53 win team to a 61 win team.   After a couple of seasons of mediocre results, they recognize their mistake and move on.  It's just bad for a world and, consequently, HBD.

I see what you are saying and you are correct without a doubt.  Especially if he was just targeting noobs.  But was he?

Also, Im not sticking up for the guy but I have seen a couple of trades were even though he was giving up older, expensive players for young, cheap players, he gave up TOO MUCH to get that prospect.  How can you fault him for that?  There are times when the prospects don't live up to their projections and now he made a bad trade.

I don't know, Im torn on this one.  Not sure what to think or believe. 

Another thought ........ Im a win now guy.  Im a guy that thinks Im always in contention and always has a high payroll.  I routinely trade young prospects for older, expensive ML players.  And alot of the time it puts me over the top.  Im not a noob and nobody is cheating me. 

This Clarkson situation is a tough situation.

I have no idea.  I think part of the problem with "targeting n00bs" is that it can also appear to be "targeting aliases".  I don't know what he's doing/has done.   But, as a general rule, where there's smoke, there's fire.   It's not often that the majority of the world just thinks an owner is too good at the game and needs to be "corrected".  Although, as I pointed out earlier, I'm not sure the OP is the owner to believe.

Thats about it.  There is no right or wrong, at this point anyway, just speculation.

If he has aliases and he is trading with them, thats as bad as it gets.  But does he?  Who are the aliases?  Is there any proof of this?  I don't think so, its all speculation.

Targeting noobs is really low.  But if that what he is doing?  He could have made the same type of trades with me and I have 200 seasons.

Theres smoke and fire because someone recently started the fire.  He may be right about jrcpga but the rest of us in this world, myself included, didn't notice it for 10-11 seasons.  So either he's just wrong about jrcpga or shame on the rest of us.

I like a good mystery.   Of his most frequent trade partners, I wouldn't say any of them are aliases.  Or, at the very least, they don't fit the alias pattern of 1-2 seasons and disappear from the world.  I would say a lot of them aren't very good at HBD.   Now, maybe, he's made 1-2 trades with aliases.  Didn't dig that far.

Primetimer, with all due respect, you're not looking to clean up the league or make it better.  You're just looking to rack up wins (understandably).  You've said it yourself that you don't dig that deep because you have so many teams.  I don't have a lot of teams, and I do dig deep.  I've spent a lot of time looking over things and as Mike said where there's smoke . . .  I initiated the move to make things more balanced.  I don't like playing in a league that's considered dreck. 

Jrcpga definitely targets n00bs and those inexperienced (and also those that just don't get it).  I've said in the world chat that he, and tdiddy (whom I know you hate), when I first arrived tried to fleece me.  I understand a thing or two about baseball so I knew what was being proposed didn't seem right. 

I'm happy the conversation is finally turning toward what this was supposed to be about and away from soxfan.  In the last 2 seasons, and actually before - I can remember in my first season that specimen the Ottawa owner layed the smack down on jrcpga for some trades and got them squashed - we've made strides to contain things.  It takes a bit of time for a new owner to understand what's going on, because most enter with the win now attitude. Like Mike said, they get taken advantage of and then they leave.  The game is demanding enough as it is without someone looking to get one over.   I believe there are quite a few in the league that believe anything is fair game if the other owner agrees to it.  That's just wrong.  Someone has to be a moral compass. 

What's being missed in this conversation here are all the trades of recent we were able to stop.  I can't imagine how many have been offered that other owners were smart enough to turn down.  You've got people who've been in the league since it's inception (muredhawk for one) that have seen all this but have been unable to do anything about it.  It may seem like it's easy to get 10 people to veto, but it's not always the case.  When you have 8 - 12 teams change hands every time, then you have a bunch of people in the league who aren't paying attention or looking to make it better you get the perfect storm that has enabled certain teams to become juggernauts. 

It's also as Mike said, not just about trades.  Those trades create a domino effect.  Some lopsided trades are made, they allow the owner to keep their player payroll down, the owner then is able to turn that into international prospect budget, then when he can't make the trades he wants he just lets the type A's and B's walk and collects those top picks as he is able to maintain his high school and college budgets.  It's a vicious cycle. 

He wouldn't make the same trades with you because you know what you're doing.  He knows you won't bite on something that is clearly misguided.  To further this, just look at the other league he's in, The Sandlot.  I took a look and the vast majority of people in the league would be considered n00bs, and he's done the same thing. 

Funniest part is that the team in Clarkson, the Colorado Expos, that has had 10 straight 100 loss seasons, and I've been trying to get to leave just joined The Sandlot.  Why do I bring this up, because this is the team that everyone was suspicious was the same guy.  The belief was that jrcpga was bigjc.  Now it's been pretty much debunked, but I believe there's something else going on there.  They're not the same person perhaps but  . . . I don't know, the whole smoke fire bit again.  I would hope that the people in The Sandlot (if they even care) would keep an eye on what goes on. 

It's all really sad and silly that I even care this much, but the facts are there.  And I'm not someone that ever took over a super team.  I'm just someone who wanted a little public league to be better and sit on higher ground.  So regardless of who started the thread, I'm the backbone of the movement.  And everyone in HBD that values the game should understand that what went on, and continues to try and go on, is bad for the game. 

veto his lopsided trades and the problem is solved, you guys have made a bigger deal than it really is. If he was trading within the rules he did nothing wrong. The solution is simple. It sounds like you are following that path now, but it took many seasons. I wonder how many owners that are now vetoing were inactive with vetoes in the past.

This thread is off-topic - lets hear more about that tdiddy3 character.