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The overpaid part was based on unrealistic helthcare and retirement. They never under produced. Again compared to the other autoworkers we did more!
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When you can't stand on your own two feet as a business due to your employees, you've got a worker problem. 
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You do have a problem. It was never a productivity problem.
5/23/2011 2:47 PM
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When the workers can't produce to their pay scale, they're underproducing.    Are you really going to argue that?

5/23/2011 3:28 PM
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Yes.

Productivity is based on what they create per hour, not what they are paid.
5/23/2011 5:35 PM
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That's borderline retarded.

When you create less than you're paid, you're not producing. 
5/23/2011 5:41 PM
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Productivity is based on what you produce, not on what you are being paid. That would make your women in the field the most productive person in the world, and of course no one would hire her to do anything!

Try to look at this through the eyes of the reality of day to day operations, not some theoretical discussion!
5/23/2011 5:53 PM
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Sure.   Practically speaking, if I'm paying someone $20 an hour and he's producing $15 worth of product, he has to be replaced.  It can be by someone who'll work cheaper or someone who'll work faster.   But, if he's producing less than he's being paid, he's not producing enough.   This is simple economics.
5/23/2011 6:53 PM
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The question was never are auto workers overpaid.

The question is are American workers some of the most productive in the world. Answer is yes.
5/24/2011 1:51 AM
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You're the dumbass who brought the auto industry as a shining example of American productivity.    The answer is "you're a dumbass for bringing that up as a shining example of American productivity."

As for Americans being hard workers, we are not. 
5/24/2011 8:44 AM
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And again if it is a fact that Americans are not productive show me the proof. I produced a study. You had problems with the methodology but it showed what I believe.

Can you show one study that supports your beliefs?
5/24/2011 3:42 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/24/2011 8:44:00 AM (view original):
You're the dumbass who brought the auto industry as a shining example of American productivity.    The answer is "you're a dumbass for bringing that up as a shining example of American productivity."

As for Americans being hard workers, we are not. 
And the Auto industry was always about poor business decisions, not low productivity.

You are going by some version of reality you heard on a wacky DJ radio show. Greedy and lazy are not the same things!
5/24/2011 3:43 PM
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The U.S. is not even the most productive in North America. According to a study Canadian union workers are the most productive!
5/24/2011 3:50 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/24/2011 3:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/24/2011 8:44:00 AM (view original):
You're the dumbass who brought the auto industry as a shining example of American productivity.    The answer is "you're a dumbass for bringing that up as a shining example of American productivity."

As for Americans being hard workers, we are not. 
And the Auto industry was always about poor business decisions, not low productivity.

You are going by some version of reality you heard on a wacky DJ radio show. Greedy and lazy are not the same things!
When you earn more than you produce, you are not productive.   If you want to blame management for making you an unproductive employee by paying you more than you're worth, go ahead.   But that doesn't make you productive.
5/24/2011 4:10 PM
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You are confusing profitable with productive.

Productive is how much you produce relative to normal standards. Profitable is if you are making a profit.
5/24/2011 7:26 PM
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