Posted by Arfy on 12/28/2016 10:43:00 AM (view original):
I thought I read somewhere that it was best to leave all your distro's at zero and let them take the least forced shot. Or perhaps that was only in the fastbreak?

I've won multiple titles this way and other coaches have as well. If you have a team with well-balanced scoring or one that lacks clear cut scoring options I'm a big fan of this strategy.

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There is more than one way to have a successful team but all of those ways include at least a reasonably high ATH and DEF ratings, which for D3 would be above 50. I can go more in depth if you want.

For LP the difference between 1 and 50 is slight, he might shoot a little bit better. But if instead of getting a 40 LP guard you got a guard with 1 LP but had 20 or even just 10 more BH, ATH, or SPD, he would shoot a lot better. Unless your guard has like 70+ it's not going to make that much of a difference, and even so 20 ATH would do so much more.

Even if their individual ratings haven't increased that much since last season their IQ has, which makes a huge difference.

Other things impact FG% such as who is guarding them, the passer rating of who is passing to them, the team passing rating, amount of shots taken, the situation of the score, tempo, etc. You can't just state that this guy is better than that guy because you don't know what that guy would have done if put in the same situation. Your also only a few games into the season, one game could dramatically spike one players stats. If you flip a coin 10 times you might get 8 heads, but if you flip a coin 1000 times it will be really close to 500 heads.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 12/28/2016 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Arfy on 12/28/2016 10:43:00 AM (view original):
I thought I read somewhere that it was best to leave all your distro's at zero and let them take the least forced shot. Or perhaps that was only in the fastbreak?

I've won multiple titles this way and other coaches have as well. If you have a team with well-balanced scoring or one that lacks clear cut scoring options I'm a big fan of this strategy.

This is what I said ;), and I used you as an example Haha ;)

After writing my previous post I realized I didn't read page 4 of the thread and missed Monster's comments. I've won running all 0's with flex and motion and in Wooden my last 4 seasons (which I think were FF, FF, NC, NC) I ran all 0's two or three of those seasons.

Snafu-check out Monclair St's history under Jdno in Wooden-I'd guess the last 10-15 seasons he ran all 0's there for his distro (while running FB/FCP). He also had at least 1 title at D1 in Rupp without setting distro. I'm not saying having all 0's for distro is the way to go but just showing it can be successful when the team is set up properly.

For what it's worth, unless I'm running all 0's I'm not a fan of giving a 0 distribution to a player (the lowest I'll go is 1). I've had too many weird things happen where a guy with 0 distro will randomly take 8 shots in a game. I remember killbatman/spasticity having the same problems and being vocal about it on the forums.

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/28/2016 3:46:00 PM (view original):
Mikie-

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There is more than one way to have a successful team but all of those ways include at least a reasonably high ATH and DEF ratings, which for D3 would be above 50. I can go more in depth if you want.

For LP the difference between 1 and 50 is slight, he might shoot a little bit better. But if instead of getting a 40 LP guard you got a guard with 1 LP but had 20 or even just 10 more BH, ATH, or SPD, he would shoot a lot better. Unless your guard has like 70+ it's not going to make that much of a difference, and even so 20 ATH would do so much more.

Even if their individual ratings haven't increased that much since last season their IQ has, which makes a huge difference.

Other things impact FG% such as who is guarding them, the passer rating of who is passing to them, the team passing rating, amount of shots taken, the situation of the score, tempo, etc. You can't just state that this guy is better than that guy because you don't know what that guy would have done if put in the same situation. Your also only a few games into the season, one game could dramatically spike one players stats. If you flip a coin 10 times you might get 8 heads, but if you flip a coin 1000 times it will be really close to 500 heads.

I am recruiting more athletic players this session. I still believe there must be another way than to focus on 2 ratings. In HBD, the early results were get high power/eye in your hitters and you'd be alright. So everyone went for that and WifS made an adjustment. "Get ATH/DEF" cannot be the only way unless WifS has decided that is the game. Which would suck. FWIW, I knew to get D as basketball is O vs D for the full game. There are a lot of components on O, not so much on D.

The LP thing the way you're putting it is not what was conveyed in this forum. I tend to lean with your reasoning but there are other opinions.

No, their IQ has not. All FR(except Snyder) were at least B- in motion at the end of last season. Without looking I know Duncan/Franklin are not A- now.

I fully understand small sample size. I must have said it a thousand times in HBD. But the players in question got around 600 minutes last year with less than staggering results. At some point, the stats matter.

You can go all out and have extremely high ATH DEF like the mfnmyers Dickenson teams, or you can go pretty good ATH DEF along with other skill sets such as speed BH and Passing. But I have not seen a good team that has a average ATH DEF under at least 45, probably 50.

Nonetheless, there are other factors on offensive stats that you can't account for, you need to pick the best ratings players to play.

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/28/2016 3:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 12/28/2016 2:42:00 PM (view original):
Turtle is spot on about ATH and DEF. I agree with pretty much everything he just conveyed. I would also like to note that my Kean team is the #1 overall seed in the conference tournament, and I stole one from turtle at his place this season.

Hey, we are both #1 seeds, and I'm in the tougher side of the conference by far, I had 10 games vs top 100 teams this conference play to your 6??. Also, I would have been at 14 wins if it weren't for that BS game against New Jersey City, I forgot to gameplan, but there's still no way I should have lost.

Hope to see you again in the conference championship so I can have another shot.

No need to get all defensive buddy--I was just playing since you made a point of dropping your current status. You can tell I was joking by the winky face emoji thing I put at the end. Buuuuttttt.....If we are going to qualify our records it should be noted that I am playing with a team made up primarily of Sim recruits and only 2 of my own (both freshman)--so I would say 23 wins and a top 10 rpi is doing alright. I did beat your squad with all my simmies....soooooo....

FWIW I expect you to win if we meet in the tourney--as I said I stole that one from you earlier.

Posted by snafu4u on 12/28/2016 5:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/28/2016 3:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 12/28/2016 2:42:00 PM (view original):
Turtle is spot on about ATH and DEF. I agree with pretty much everything he just conveyed. I would also like to note that my Kean team is the #1 overall seed in the conference tournament, and I stole one from turtle at his place this season.

Hey, we are both #1 seeds, and I'm in the tougher side of the conference by far, I had 10 games vs top 100 teams this conference play to your 6??. Also, I would have been at 14 wins if it weren't for that BS game against New Jersey City, I forgot to gameplan, but there's still no way I should have lost.

Hope to see you again in the conference championship so I can have another shot.

No need to get all defensive buddy--I was just playing since you made a point of dropping your current status. You can tell I was joking by the winky face emoji thing I put at the end. Buuuuttttt.....If we are going to qualify our records it should be noted that I am playing with a team made up primarily of Sim recruits and only 2 of my own (both freshman)--so I would say 23 wins and a top 10 rpi is doing alright. I did beat your squad with all my simmies....soooooo....

FWIW I expect you to win if we meet in the tourney--as I said I stole that one from you earlier.

I was joking too, the question marks were meant to be an emoji that didn't go through right. I don't know why when I put emojis in they turn to question marks...

That came off differently than I meant.

Also, you have 4 of Jpmills' recruits, which means that they are good recruits.

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/28/2016 5:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 12/28/2016 5:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/28/2016 3:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 12/28/2016 2:42:00 PM (view original):
Turtle is spot on about ATH and DEF. I agree with pretty much everything he just conveyed. I would also like to note that my Kean team is the #1 overall seed in the conference tournament, and I stole one from turtle at his place this season.

Hey, we are both #1 seeds, and I'm in the tougher side of the conference by far, I had 10 games vs top 100 teams this conference play to your 6??. Also, I would have been at 14 wins if it weren't for that BS game against New Jersey City, I forgot to gameplan, but there's still no way I should have lost.

Hope to see you again in the conference championship so I can have another shot.

No need to get all defensive buddy--I was just playing since you made a point of dropping your current status. You can tell I was joking by the winky face emoji thing I put at the end. Buuuuttttt.....If we are going to qualify our records it should be noted that I am playing with a team made up primarily of Sim recruits and only 2 of my own (both freshman)--so I would say 23 wins and a top 10 rpi is doing alright. I did beat your squad with all my simmies....soooooo....

FWIW I expect you to win if we meet in the tourney--as I said I stole that one from you earlier.

I was joking too, the question marks were meant to be an emoji that didn't go through right. I don't know why when I put emojis in they turn to question marks...

That came off differently than I meant.

Also, you have 4 of Jpmills' recruits, which means that they are good recruits.

Yeah--Zalesky isn't hurting anything and Hendersen holds his own in the middle but Poteet is thoroughly "meh" and Guido is pretty low on the depth chart.

Zalesky is a prime example of ATH/SPD/DEF dominating as you were talking about before. The rest of his stats are thoroughly mediocre but his elite ATH and a healthy dose of SPD make him an almost unstoppable scorer, and his elite ATH mixed with elite DEF make him a shutdown defender.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=3814&pid=3356245

Hoops Dynasty – College Basketball Sim Games - Troy Zalesky - Ratings - Wooden - Hoops Dynasty Basketball | WhatIfSports

I am pretty damn hyped on Ferrante too:

Hoops Dynasty – College Basketball Sim Games - James Ferrante - Ratings - Wooden - Hoops Dynasty Basketball | WhatIfSports

He is going to shape up really nicely by his JR year, and should top out around:

Ath: 60
Spd: 85
Reb: 10
Def: 60
LP: 1
Per: 95
BH: 99
P: 75

I am thinking he will be a lethal scoring point his JR and SR year.

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/28/2016 4:59:00 PM (view original):
You can go all out and have extremely high ATH DEF like the mfnmyers Dickenson teams, or you can go pretty good ATH DEF along with other skill sets such as speed BH and Passing. But I have not seen a good team that has a average ATH DEF under at least 45, probably 50.

Nonetheless, there are other factors on offensive stats that you can't account for, you need to pick the best ratings players to play.

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying. It just seems way too simplistic to say "Want to win? Get high ATH and D. Otherwise, you're SOL." And I understand that might be the case. I'd hate it if it was though.

Posted by snafu4u on 12/28/2016 5:48:00 PM (view original):
I am pretty damn hyped on Ferrante too:

Hoops Dynasty – College Basketball Sim Games - James Ferrante - Ratings - Wooden - Hoops Dynasty Basketball | WhatIfSports

He is going to shape up really nicely by his JR year, and should top out around:

Ath: 60
Spd: 85
Reb: 10
Def: 60
LP: 1
Per: 95
BH: 99
P: 75

I am thinking he will be a lethal scoring point his JR and SR year.

He's a stud. Nice work.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/28/2016 6:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/28/2016 4:59:00 PM (view original):
You can go all out and have extremely high ATH DEF like the mfnmyers Dickenson teams, or you can go pretty good ATH DEF along with other skill sets such as speed BH and Passing. But I have not seen a good team that has a average ATH DEF under at least 45, probably 50.

Nonetheless, there are other factors on offensive stats that you can't account for, you need to pick the best ratings players to play.

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying. It just seems way too simplistic to say "Want to win? Get high ATH and D. Otherwise, you're SOL." And I understand that might be the case. I'd hate it if it was though.

My guess is that it's the simplest way to win, and it makes sense given that you have to look with players that are strong in only two attributes. I'd be curious as to how a D3 Triangle team would do with 80+ speed, ball handling, and passing across the board with below average def and ath (bigs included). There wouldn't be as many FTs, but I have to imagine there would be very few turnovers and a lot of open shots.

At D3 you can basically coast to the R32/S16 of the NT every season recruiting just ath and def. A great example of this is 'mfnmyers' Dickinson teams. At D2 and D1 you need to recruit more complete teams to get deeper into the tourney.

Franklin got the start and we won. Not sure I'd give him much credit but he played 19, 3-7 FG but 2-2 from 3 pt range, got 1 reb/steal/to and scored 8.

I'll give him another start. Duncan only got 5 minutes.