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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 9:56:00 AM (view original):
Realism, right?

I agree that it would never happen in the real world. But, without question, the D2 school dumped tons of resources into the player and the 3 D1s came late to the party. IOW, not one of them contacted the player in RS1. So, is it realistic that a school would ignore a kid for months on end, not even a letter, text or phone call, then jump on him late? Of course it isn't. That would also never happen.

Sure it is realistic if the school had a last minute roster change (ie: a player getting expelled from the school), they would start recruiting someone they previously didn't even have a spot for and therefore showed no initial interest. In the real world once those 3 Big 6 schools came offering scholarships, the kid would be thrilled at how much of a better opportunity he was getting, not go to a lowly D2 school just because they showed him initial interest.

Then I'm sure you can find an example of a kid saying "Yeah, Michigan hadn't contacted me at all up until the week before signing day. In fact, not a single D1 school had talked me. Boy, I was thrilled!!!"

I'll wait here.

Honestly, I'd STFU about this is there was some mechanism where a school had to contact a recruit in the first session in order to actually recruit him in the second session. Doesn't even have to be AP(although that's all that's in place). Maybe a "targeting" option, free of charge, with a limit on how many. Let MSU target 50, or a 100, recruits in session 1. But, as long as MSU has made no contact with a player until RS2, I could care less when they lose to a D2 that's been pumping resources into a player.

You love to throw out logical fallacys. How would I know if a kid wasn't recruited up until the week before signing day? Do I know every single person ever recruited for college? LOL. Just because I personally don't know someone that fits that mold doesn't mean that they aren't out there. But your intent is to throw out a question/task that is impossible for that particular individual to complete and then say that it's impossible for anyone to complete it. That's not how it works, that's a logical fallacy.

It's not out there. Schools target their recruits early. They don't want to fall behind their rival. It's a simple, real-life fact. You won't find one because he doesn't exist. Now, if you want to argue against my argument, please do so. But know you're being deceitful if you're pretending there is a single D1 player who wasn't contacted by any D1 school until late in the process. They know about players in HS/AAU. And they have a guy decked out in MSU gear scouting him, and making it known they're there for him without actual contact, before that first text is sent.

It's impossible to know because we aren't associated with a college that is recruiting. How do you know that it hasn't happened? What evidence of that do you have?

One real life example would be at the school I used to attend. A player was arrested and kicked out of the school very late in the recruiting process and the school signed a kid that they hadn't had an offer out to. Point being the best anyone can do to answer your question or contention would be conjecture so you're setting up the person to fail by asking a question that is impossible to prove....that's not proving a point.

You might notice you're the only one arguing that a kid could go with no contact from a D1 school until the last week before signing.

There's a reason for that. Think about it.

If they only have D2 offers, yes they could. Trying to snag a recruit that way against a D1 school would be foolish but without a doubt players would go to the D1 school with an offer over a D2 school.

It DOES NOT happen in real life. It just plainass doesn't.

How the hell do you know? What exposure do you have to college recruiting do you have that you can say that without a doubt it doesn't happen? It's a claim you're making coming straight out of your ***. The fact is that YOU have NO WAY OF KNOWING!

Because I'm not a ******* idiot.

Why are you the only person contending that it does? I mean, hell, benis is saying they're contacting kids when they're juniors in high school and you're saying "Yeah but they might wait til one week before signing day." That's just moronic.

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/31/2016 2:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
It's the closest thing we can get. I didn't miss a thing.

Basically, you're agreeing with me that Coach K isn't calling some kid a week before signing day and saying "Hey, we just had a spot open up. I know I haven't contacted you before but......what you think of being a Blue Devil??"

That's what these griping clowns are doing. Ignore the recruit then think he'd be a great fall back plan but, sad face, he signed before they could offer or signed with someone who showed the player a lot more love.

But the three D1 schools in this case did have offers in. Yes, a kid would pick going to a Big 6 school on an athletic scholarship over a no name D2 school...

For the bajillionth time. We have a matter of DAYS to recruit in HD. In real life they have YEARS. How in the world can you attempt to compare the two.

Anyone complaining about the game not being realistic is just looking to substantiate some complaint about 3.0. You can't pick and choose what you want to be realistic when nothing else about the game is realistic.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 10:24:00 AM (view original):
Truth is, the entire process is a fail. Even if UConn or MSU hasn't contacted a recruit, East Carolina or The Citadel has. Would any of you be happier if the recruit signed with ECU/Citadel instead of a D2? Or would the complaint be "No way in hell would a recruit sign with The Citadel if MSU showed interest!!"?

This.

The fact is, in real life, a top 100 player would have been contacted by a 100+ schools. Never will a HD player have AP from 100 schools.

To an extent, it doesn't matter how realistic the game is. If it's not enjoyable, nobody is going to want to play. Sort of defeats the purpose.

WIS' explanation for 3.0 was to add a more realistic approach.

Sure you want some realism to the game, but you also need to find that balance between an enjoyable user experience and being realistic.

Posted by Benis on 12/31/2016 10:27:00 AM (view original):
You guys are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole by arguing that the recruit wasn't contacted early enough. Again, there are MANY things that make this game unrealistic. And recruiting is a big one.

In real life does a player who is ranked by major scouting organizations NOT get contacted until moments before end of signing period? NO! They are contacted when they're sophomores in HS or even earlier. C'mon. How can you compare real life recruiting actions to this game when it has tons of other inaccuracies like this one?

So unless we want to start recruiting players when they're Soph or Juniors in HS (gasp, just like in real life!) then you can't use the argument "oh the D1 school didn't contact him until the final day of the final signing period" and then compare that to real life. Real life recruiting takes YEARS while we have only a few days. C'mon.

Bottom line, you're not going to be able to replicate real life in this game. It's not possible. But people want to get as close to it while also making the game the most amount of fun. A coach being at a school for 50 seasons (which in real life time is only several years, not 50 years) may be fine for the game. D1 schools losing to D2 schools because of a flawed recruiting system isn't realistic nor good for the game according to many.

I was offered a scholarship to play for Duke in the 8th grade. But failed to make the high school team due to Coach's kid. Scored a lot of points that year was the mvp of the championship game in our conference. Played against Jeff Lebo son on the north east team. At half time in our last home game the score was 60-3 it ended up being 81 to 85-14.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
It's the closest thing we can get. I didn't miss a thing.

Basically, you're agreeing with me that Coach K isn't calling some kid a week before signing day and saying "Hey, we just had a spot open up. I know I haven't contacted you before but......what you think of being a Blue Devil??"

That's what these griping clowns are doing. Ignore the recruit then think he'd be a great fall back plan but, sad face, he signed before they could offer or signed with someone who showed the player a lot more love.

But the three D1 schools in this case did have offers in. Yes, a kid would pick going to a Big 6 school on an athletic scholarship over a no name D2 school...

For the bajillionth time. We have a matter of DAYS to recruit in HD. In real life they have YEARS. How in the world can you attempt to compare the two.

I'm not the one that started the comparison, Mike is. This is what he does....throws out a claim that he has no facts over and deflects from the initial discussion to kill the true discussion.

The point is that a recruit in HD shouldn't pick a D2 school over 3 Big 6 D1 schools that are at very high with scholarship offers.

Serious question-

In 2.0, a top ranked D1 guy wouldn't even take a phone call from a D2/D3 team.

In 3.0, a top ranked D1 guy will choose to sign with a D2 team if it receives more "effort".

This is a monumental change. So my question is - why? Why was this made? Was it to fix something? I don't recall Seble saying this was changed for any particular reason. I do remember him saying several times that he wanted to make the game more realistic.

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/31/2016 3:17:00 PM (view original):
To an extent, it doesn't matter how realistic the game is. If it's not enjoyable, nobody is going to want to play. Sort of defeats the purpose.

WIS' explanation for 3.0 was to add a more realistic approach.

Sure you want some realism to the game, but you also need to find that balance between an enjoyable user experience and being realistic.

Very true. Do you think it would be enjoyable for a D2 user to burn every resource he has in RS1 on one player, a player that no one is showing interest in, only to lose said recruit to a D1 team 3 cycles into RS2?

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
It's the closest thing we can get. I didn't miss a thing.

Basically, you're agreeing with me that Coach K isn't calling some kid a week before signing day and saying "Hey, we just had a spot open up. I know I haven't contacted you before but......what you think of being a Blue Devil??"

That's what these griping clowns are doing. Ignore the recruit then think he'd be a great fall back plan but, sad face, he signed before they could offer or signed with someone who showed the player a lot more love.

But the three D1 schools in this case did have offers in. Yes, a kid would pick going to a Big 6 school on an athletic scholarship over a no name D2 school...

For the bajillionth time. We have a matter of DAYS to recruit in HD. In real life they have YEARS. How in the world can you attempt to compare the two.

I'm not the one that started the comparison, Mike is. This is what he does....throws out a claim that he has no facts over and deflects from the initial discussion to kill the true discussion.

The point is that a recruit in HD shouldn't pick a D2 school over 3 Big 6 D1 schools that are at very high with scholarship offers.

That wasn't intended towards you mets. That was to mike. I just kept going on the chain.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
It's the closest thing we can get. I didn't miss a thing.

Basically, you're agreeing with me that Coach K isn't calling some kid a week before signing day and saying "Hey, we just had a spot open up. I know I haven't contacted you before but......what you think of being a Blue Devil??"

That's what these griping clowns are doing. Ignore the recruit then think he'd be a great fall back plan but, sad face, he signed before they could offer or signed with someone who showed the player a lot more love.

But the three D1 schools in this case did have offers in. Yes, a kid would pick going to a Big 6 school on an athletic scholarship over a no name D2 school...

For the bajillionth time. We have a matter of DAYS to recruit in HD. In real life they have YEARS. How in the world can you attempt to compare the two.

I'm not the one that started the comparison, Mike is. This is what he does....throws out a claim that he has no facts over and deflects from the initial discussion to kill the true discussion.

The point is that a recruit in HD shouldn't pick a D2 school over 3 Big 6 D1 schools that are at very high with scholarship offers.

And a D1 school shouldn't ignore the player during RS1 then expect to get him in RS2.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 3:18:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
It's the closest thing we can get. I didn't miss a thing.

Basically, you're agreeing with me that Coach K isn't calling some kid a week before signing day and saying "Hey, we just had a spot open up. I know I haven't contacted you before but......what you think of being a Blue Devil??"

That's what these griping clowns are doing. Ignore the recruit then think he'd be a great fall back plan but, sad face, he signed before they could offer or signed with someone who showed the player a lot more love.

But the three D1 schools in this case did have offers in. Yes, a kid would pick going to a Big 6 school on an athletic scholarship over a no name D2 school...

For the bajillionth time. We have a matter of DAYS to recruit in HD. In real life they have YEARS. How in the world can you attempt to compare the two.

I'm not the one that started the comparison, Mike is. This is what he does....throws out a claim that he has no facts over and deflects from the initial discussion to kill the true discussion.

The point is that a recruit in HD shouldn't pick a D2 school over 3 Big 6 D1 schools that are at very high with scholarship offers.

And a D1 school shouldn't ignore the player during RS1 then expect to get him in RS2.

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

If that's the case then they shouldn't be listed at very high then.

Posted by Benis on 12/31/2016 3:18:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
It's the closest thing we can get. I didn't miss a thing.

Basically, you're agreeing with me that Coach K isn't calling some kid a week before signing day and saying "Hey, we just had a spot open up. I know I haven't contacted you before but......what you think of being a Blue Devil??"

That's what these griping clowns are doing. Ignore the recruit then think he'd be a great fall back plan but, sad face, he signed before they could offer or signed with someone who showed the player a lot more love.

But the three D1 schools in this case did have offers in. Yes, a kid would pick going to a Big 6 school on an athletic scholarship over a no name D2 school...

For the bajillionth time. We have a matter of DAYS to recruit in HD. In real life they have YEARS. How in the world can you attempt to compare the two.

I'm not the one that started the comparison, Mike is. This is what he does....throws out a claim that he has no facts over and deflects from the initial discussion to kill the true discussion.

The point is that a recruit in HD shouldn't pick a D2 school over 3 Big 6 D1 schools that are at very high with scholarship offers.

That wasn't intended towards you mets. That was to mike. I just kept going on the chain.

Then don't tell me what a kid would do in real-life if you don't want to talk realism.

Pretty simple.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 3:20:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
It's the closest thing we can get. I didn't miss a thing.

Basically, you're agreeing with me that Coach K isn't calling some kid a week before signing day and saying "Hey, we just had a spot open up. I know I haven't contacted you before but......what you think of being a Blue Devil??"

That's what these griping clowns are doing. Ignore the recruit then think he'd be a great fall back plan but, sad face, he signed before they could offer or signed with someone who showed the player a lot more love.

But the three D1 schools in this case did have offers in. Yes, a kid would pick going to a Big 6 school on an athletic scholarship over a no name D2 school...

For the bajillionth time. We have a matter of DAYS to recruit in HD. In real life they have YEARS. How in the world can you attempt to compare the two.

I'm not the one that started the comparison, Mike is. This is what he does....throws out a claim that he has no facts over and deflects from the initial discussion to kill the true discussion.

The point is that a recruit in HD shouldn't pick a D2 school over 3 Big 6 D1 schools that are at very high with scholarship offers.

That wasn't intended towards you mets. That was to mike. I just kept going on the chain.

Then don't tell me what a kid would do in real-life if you don't want to talk realism.

Pretty simple.

Mike, were you ever recruited for a sport in college? And I'm not talking about in fantasy land like CoachWard's Duke claim, I'm talking about in reality.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 2:52:00 PM (view original):
It's the closest thing we can get. I didn't miss a thing.

Basically, you're agreeing with me that Coach K isn't calling some kid a week before signing day and saying "Hey, we just had a spot open up. I know I haven't contacted you before but......what you think of being a Blue Devil??"

That's what these griping clowns are doing. Ignore the recruit then think he'd be a great fall back plan but, sad face, he signed before they could offer or signed with someone who showed the player a lot more love.

But the three D1 schools in this case did have offers in. Yes, a kid would pick going to a Big 6 school on an athletic scholarship over a no name D2 school...

For the bajillionth time. We have a matter of DAYS to recruit in HD. In real life they have YEARS. How in the world can you attempt to compare the two.

I'm not the one that started the comparison, Mike is. This is what he does....throws out a claim that he has no facts over and deflects from the initial discussion to kill the true discussion.

The point is that a recruit in HD shouldn't pick a D2 school over 3 Big 6 D1 schools that are at very high with scholarship offers.

And a D1 school shouldn't ignore the player during RS1 then expect to get him in RS2.

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

If that's the case then they shouldn't be listed at very high then.

They sure were. And they lost. Boohoohoo.

Now tell me, in real life, that would never happen. Then refuse to discuss the real-life aspects of recruiting.