Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 11:49:00 AM (view original):
The Independent Prosecutor In NOT independent. She is a LONG TIME member of one of the most powerful Republican County committees in the Country.
She was/is worthless! Her "opinion" was not requested NOR is it helpful OR germane.
She, herself, pointed out the improper form of questioning she was forced to engage in.

The bias is yours Boris.

I await the report from the FBI.
Patience IS a virtue.

Boris, your daughters are too young to even understand the behaviors associated with sexual abuse. Both for the victims, and (hopefully) the perp.
You ARE opening up yourself to a large LOSS of respect with your premature endorsement of Kavanaugh's "incredible" testimony.

I, too, use my GUT.
I've been around a LOT longer than you have.
I'd BET my life that Kavanaugh is lying UNDER OATH to the U.S. Senate. THAT makes him unfit for this job. Not (necessarily) for coaching Girl-ball.
I'd let him Coach my own daughters, IF they were 10 or 12.
15 or 16??? I'd have to think about that.

For alltee.
My opinion of Kavanaugh's credibility and fitness have NOTHING to do with my admitted disdain for Trump.
On this issue I AGREE with Trump when he repeatedly asserts that Judge Kavanaugh's testimony was "incredible"!

It damn sure was!

My oldest is one year younger than Ford was during the alleged offense for which she has zero witnesses. My kids have common sense. They see right through this Leftist facade. You ignored my point on Feinstein? Why?

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):

• Perhaps most importantly, she does not remember how she got from the party back to her house.
  • Her inability to remember this detail raises significant questions.
  • She told the Washington Post that the party took place near the Columbia Country Club. The Club is more than 7 miles from her childhood home as the crow flies, and she testified that it was a roughly 20-minute drive from her childhood home.
  • She also agreed for the first time in her testimony that she was driven somewhere that night, either to the party or from the party or both.
  • Dr. Ford was able to describe hiding in the bathroom, locking the door, and subsequently exiting the house. She also described wanting to make sure that she did not look like she had been attacked.
  • But she has no memory of who drove her or when. Nor has anyone come forward to identify him or herself as the driver.
  • Given that this all took place before cell phones, arranging a ride home would not have been easy. Indeed, she stated that she ran out of the house after coming downstairs and did not state that she made a phone call from the house before she did, or that she called anyone else thereafter.
• She does, however, remember small, distinct details from the party unrelated to the assault. For example, she testified that she had exactly one beer at the party and was taking no medication at the time of the alleged assault.

Yes? That's how the memory works.

Conveniently? You're not at all skeptical here?

Of course I am. I am undecided. You are decided.

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 10:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 10:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 10/1/2018 8:49:00 AM (view original):
It may take 3 days for some guys in this thread to understand that post. Others never will.

"Because it is impossible to prove something didn't happen. You are asking him to prove a negative which is impossible."

Absolutely correct. BOTH statements.

I get that!
But,
It isn't about (for ME) the alleged Dr. Ford event.
It's that HE clearly is a liar.

He CLEARLY lied when HE claimed HE has never drank to excess enough to have suffered from "memory loss".

And THAT proves beyond any doubt that HE lied when HE said HE never could have done such an act, however silly and unimportant to most (except Dr. Ford, apparently) because HE clearly doesn't actually KNOW that he didn't because HE sometimes behaved like a drunken teen-ager.
And HE, with his legal and judicial experience, clearly KNOWS that he actually can't swear to NEVER, because HE knows he doesn't remember her (alleged) event, or any of the other (alleged) events. In short HE's a liar and has forfeited his opportunity to serve as a S.C. justice.

Too bad. He should have just said, Gaw'd I done me some dumb teen-age things and I apologize IF anything I ever did to Dr. Ford caused her harm, BUT I was only foolin' around."

He'd have been confirmed.

Now. He's toast.
Finished.
The FBI investigation will seal the deal!
Patience.

Trump gets a do-over.

For a smart guy Bob, you totally missed the point here. So I am going to make it for you and tang.

#1) bad luck is an idiot

#2) Bottom line --- only one person to blame here ---- DIANE FEINSTEIN!!!!

She could have easily shared the letter with the FBI and had them investigate the verasity. Instead she went to the press knowing that she could win in the court of public opinion but not in a court of law. What an underhanded and evil person she is. Because of this if Kav is innocent she ruined his rep and and his life 4ever. He is not allowed to coach his girls in hoops anymore, his daughters and wife are in shambles. If Ford is innocent (correct) she will forever be labeled by many as a tramp and a liar.

Ford asked for anonymity. Feinstein could have shared the letter with the authorities and done a behind the scene background check (like the Feds are doing now). It could have been discrete and confidential. Instead she leaked it at the last second and LIED about it. What a snake.

We can distpute Ford/Kav all day but there is ZERO dispute that Feinstein is a snake.

Kav wasn't going to coach his girls regardless of what happened.

Why not? LOL

Supreme Court job?

He sits on a high court now. Coaching is at night. I do it.

Supreme Court is different, no?

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 2:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):

• Perhaps most importantly, she does not remember how she got from the party back to her house.
  • Her inability to remember this detail raises significant questions.
  • She told the Washington Post that the party took place near the Columbia Country Club. The Club is more than 7 miles from her childhood home as the crow flies, and she testified that it was a roughly 20-minute drive from her childhood home.
  • She also agreed for the first time in her testimony that she was driven somewhere that night, either to the party or from the party or both.
  • Dr. Ford was able to describe hiding in the bathroom, locking the door, and subsequently exiting the house. She also described wanting to make sure that she did not look like she had been attacked.
  • But she has no memory of who drove her or when. Nor has anyone come forward to identify him or herself as the driver.
  • Given that this all took place before cell phones, arranging a ride home would not have been easy. Indeed, she stated that she ran out of the house after coming downstairs and did not state that she made a phone call from the house before she did, or that she called anyone else thereafter.
• She does, however, remember small, distinct details from the party unrelated to the assault. For example, she testified that she had exactly one beer at the party and was taking no medication at the time of the alleged assault.

Yes? That's how the memory works.

Conveniently? You're not at all skeptical here?

Of course I am. I am undecided. You are decided.

99% sure Ford is not being truthful.

I am 100% sure Feinstein is lying.

I am 100% positive Swetnick and Avenatti are lying.

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 10:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 10:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 10/1/2018 8:49:00 AM (view original):
It may take 3 days for some guys in this thread to understand that post. Others never will.

"Because it is impossible to prove something didn't happen. You are asking him to prove a negative which is impossible."

Absolutely correct. BOTH statements.

I get that!
But,
It isn't about (for ME) the alleged Dr. Ford event.
It's that HE clearly is a liar.

He CLEARLY lied when HE claimed HE has never drank to excess enough to have suffered from "memory loss".

And THAT proves beyond any doubt that HE lied when HE said HE never could have done such an act, however silly and unimportant to most (except Dr. Ford, apparently) because HE clearly doesn't actually KNOW that he didn't because HE sometimes behaved like a drunken teen-ager.
And HE, with his legal and judicial experience, clearly KNOWS that he actually can't swear to NEVER, because HE knows he doesn't remember her (alleged) event, or any of the other (alleged) events. In short HE's a liar and has forfeited his opportunity to serve as a S.C. justice.

Too bad. He should have just said, Gaw'd I done me some dumb teen-age things and I apologize IF anything I ever did to Dr. Ford caused her harm, BUT I was only foolin' around."

He'd have been confirmed.

Now. He's toast.
Finished.
The FBI investigation will seal the deal!
Patience.

Trump gets a do-over.

For a smart guy Bob, you totally missed the point here. So I am going to make it for you and tang.

#1) bad luck is an idiot

#2) Bottom line --- only one person to blame here ---- DIANE FEINSTEIN!!!!

She could have easily shared the letter with the FBI and had them investigate the verasity. Instead she went to the press knowing that she could win in the court of public opinion but not in a court of law. What an underhanded and evil person she is. Because of this if Kav is innocent she ruined his rep and and his life 4ever. He is not allowed to coach his girls in hoops anymore, his daughters and wife are in shambles. If Ford is innocent (correct) she will forever be labeled by many as a tramp and a liar.

Ford asked for anonymity. Feinstein could have shared the letter with the authorities and done a behind the scene background check (like the Feds are doing now). It could have been discrete and confidential. Instead she leaked it at the last second and LIED about it. What a snake.

We can distpute Ford/Kav all day but there is ZERO dispute that Feinstein is a snake.

Kav wasn't going to coach his girls regardless of what happened.

Why not? LOL

Supreme Court job?

He sits on a high court now. Coaching is at night. I do it.

Supreme Court is different, no?

Nope. They actually see fewer cases and have a bigger staff. He could still coach at night but not any more thanks to Feinstein. You have to admit that Feinstein is just an awful human being.

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 2:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):

• Perhaps most importantly, she does not remember how she got from the party back to her house.
  • Her inability to remember this detail raises significant questions.
  • She told the Washington Post that the party took place near the Columbia Country Club. The Club is more than 7 miles from her childhood home as the crow flies, and she testified that it was a roughly 20-minute drive from her childhood home.
  • She also agreed for the first time in her testimony that she was driven somewhere that night, either to the party or from the party or both.
  • Dr. Ford was able to describe hiding in the bathroom, locking the door, and subsequently exiting the house. She also described wanting to make sure that she did not look like she had been attacked.
  • But she has no memory of who drove her or when. Nor has anyone come forward to identify him or herself as the driver.
  • Given that this all took place before cell phones, arranging a ride home would not have been easy. Indeed, she stated that she ran out of the house after coming downstairs and did not state that she made a phone call from the house before she did, or that she called anyone else thereafter.
• She does, however, remember small, distinct details from the party unrelated to the assault. For example, she testified that she had exactly one beer at the party and was taking no medication at the time of the alleged assault.

Yes? That's how the memory works.

Conveniently? You're not at all skeptical here?

Of course I am. I am undecided. You are decided.

99% sure Ford is not being truthful.

I am 100% sure Feinstein is lying.

I am 100% positive Swetnick and Avenatti are lying.

Your mind is made up.

50% sure Ford is being truthful
50% sure Feinstein is lying
75% sure Avenatti is lying

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 10:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 10:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 10/1/2018 8:49:00 AM (view original):
It may take 3 days for some guys in this thread to understand that post. Others never will.

"Because it is impossible to prove something didn't happen. You are asking him to prove a negative which is impossible."

Absolutely correct. BOTH statements.

I get that!
But,
It isn't about (for ME) the alleged Dr. Ford event.
It's that HE clearly is a liar.

He CLEARLY lied when HE claimed HE has never drank to excess enough to have suffered from "memory loss".

And THAT proves beyond any doubt that HE lied when HE said HE never could have done such an act, however silly and unimportant to most (except Dr. Ford, apparently) because HE clearly doesn't actually KNOW that he didn't because HE sometimes behaved like a drunken teen-ager.
And HE, with his legal and judicial experience, clearly KNOWS that he actually can't swear to NEVER, because HE knows he doesn't remember her (alleged) event, or any of the other (alleged) events. In short HE's a liar and has forfeited his opportunity to serve as a S.C. justice.

Too bad. He should have just said, Gaw'd I done me some dumb teen-age things and I apologize IF anything I ever did to Dr. Ford caused her harm, BUT I was only foolin' around."

He'd have been confirmed.

Now. He's toast.
Finished.
The FBI investigation will seal the deal!
Patience.

Trump gets a do-over.

For a smart guy Bob, you totally missed the point here. So I am going to make it for you and tang.

#1) bad luck is an idiot

#2) Bottom line --- only one person to blame here ---- DIANE FEINSTEIN!!!!

She could have easily shared the letter with the FBI and had them investigate the verasity. Instead she went to the press knowing that she could win in the court of public opinion but not in a court of law. What an underhanded and evil person she is. Because of this if Kav is innocent she ruined his rep and and his life 4ever. He is not allowed to coach his girls in hoops anymore, his daughters and wife are in shambles. If Ford is innocent (correct) she will forever be labeled by many as a tramp and a liar.

Ford asked for anonymity. Feinstein could have shared the letter with the authorities and done a behind the scene background check (like the Feds are doing now). It could have been discrete and confidential. Instead she leaked it at the last second and LIED about it. What a snake.

We can distpute Ford/Kav all day but there is ZERO dispute that Feinstein is a snake.

Kav wasn't going to coach his girls regardless of what happened.

Why not? LOL

Supreme Court job?

He sits on a high court now. Coaching is at night. I do it.

Supreme Court is different, no?

Nope. They actually see fewer cases and have a bigger staff. He could still coach at night but not any more thanks to Feinstein. You have to admit that Feinstein is just an awful human being.

Don't care about Feinstein

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 2:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/1/2018 10:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 10:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 10:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 10/1/2018 8:49:00 AM (view original):
It may take 3 days for some guys in this thread to understand that post. Others never will.

"Because it is impossible to prove something didn't happen. You are asking him to prove a negative which is impossible."

Absolutely correct. BOTH statements.

I get that!
But,
It isn't about (for ME) the alleged Dr. Ford event.
It's that HE clearly is a liar.

He CLEARLY lied when HE claimed HE has never drank to excess enough to have suffered from "memory loss".

And THAT proves beyond any doubt that HE lied when HE said HE never could have done such an act, however silly and unimportant to most (except Dr. Ford, apparently) because HE clearly doesn't actually KNOW that he didn't because HE sometimes behaved like a drunken teen-ager.
And HE, with his legal and judicial experience, clearly KNOWS that he actually can't swear to NEVER, because HE knows he doesn't remember her (alleged) event, or any of the other (alleged) events. In short HE's a liar and has forfeited his opportunity to serve as a S.C. justice.

Too bad. He should have just said, Gaw'd I done me some dumb teen-age things and I apologize IF anything I ever did to Dr. Ford caused her harm, BUT I was only foolin' around."

He'd have been confirmed.

Now. He's toast.
Finished.
The FBI investigation will seal the deal!
Patience.

Trump gets a do-over.

For a smart guy Bob, you totally missed the point here. So I am going to make it for you and tang.

#1) bad luck is an idiot

#2) Bottom line --- only one person to blame here ---- DIANE FEINSTEIN!!!!

She could have easily shared the letter with the FBI and had them investigate the verasity. Instead she went to the press knowing that she could win in the court of public opinion but not in a court of law. What an underhanded and evil person she is. Because of this if Kav is innocent she ruined his rep and and his life 4ever. He is not allowed to coach his girls in hoops anymore, his daughters and wife are in shambles. If Ford is innocent (correct) she will forever be labeled by many as a tramp and a liar.

Ford asked for anonymity. Feinstein could have shared the letter with the authorities and done a behind the scene background check (like the Feds are doing now). It could have been discrete and confidential. Instead she leaked it at the last second and LIED about it. What a snake.

We can distpute Ford/Kav all day but there is ZERO dispute that Feinstein is a snake.

Kav wasn't going to coach his girls regardless of what happened.

Why not? LOL

Supreme Court job?

He sits on a high court now. Coaching is at night. I do it.

Supreme Court is different, no?

Nope. They actually see fewer cases and have a bigger staff. He could still coach at night but not any more thanks to Feinstein. You have to admit that Feinstein is just an awful human being.

Don't care about Feinstein

Its her fault that Kav's life is ruined. Why don't you care. Actually Kav's and Ford's. This could have been handled privately. Are you really that naive?

Talk about a rush to judgment. You apparently disagree with Lindsey Graham who declared openly that HE didn't believe it was Feinstein. (who leaked).

WAIT for the FBI results and let the chips fall where they may.

Incredible. The definition is "unbelieveable" The ONLY definition.

Credible (as in Testimony). The definition is believable. In LEGAL terms!

What's NOT to understand.

Post all the adjectives you want to. They ain't definitions, they are adjectives.
A whole nother world to an actual definitive LEGAL term.

You right wingers (Boris, etc) are flat incredible in the amount of hypocrisy you espouse almost daily!

I know quite well HOW hard you'd be screaming IF this was a De. POTUS trying to cram some (unqualified) lib onto the bench with a lifetime appt.
The repugs would shut the Gov't down (IF they could) to try and stop that!

Everyone should STFU until the final investigative report comes out. The only report that will look at Kavanaugh before 1992!

The denials from the right are just that. PARTISAN denials.
NO ONE KNOWS (yet) FOR SURE if there is anything to these charges.
I'm not even basing my opinion of his LACK of fitness on these charges.
I've said so multiple times.

I'm basing my strenuous objection to his elevation (to SCOTUS) on WHO he is.
A privileged elitist liar.

I'm quite surprised All3 would support an individual of Kavanaugh's ilk given all his railing about the evils of the 2 parties!

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 2:30:00 PM (view original):
Talk about a rush to judgment. You apparently disagree with Lindsey Graham who declared openly that HE didn't believe it was Feinstein. (who leaked).

WAIT for the FBI results and let the chips fall where they may.

Incredible. The definition is "unbelieveable" The ONLY definition.

Credible (as in Testimony). The definition is believable. In LEGAL terms!

What's NOT to understand.

Post all the adjectives you want to. They ain't definitions, they are adjectives.
A whole nother world to an actual definitive LEGAL term.

You right wingers (Boris, etc) are flat incredible in the amount of hypocrisy you espouse almost daily!

I know quite well HOW hard you'd be screaming IF this was a De. POTUS trying to cram some (unqualified) lib onto the bench with a lifetime appt.
The repugs would shut the Gov't down (IF they could) to try and stop that!

Everyone should STFU until the final investigative report comes out. The only report that will look at Kavanaugh before 1992!

The denials from the right are just that. PARTISAN denials.
NO ONE KNOWS (yet) FOR SURE if there is anything to these charges.
I'm not even basing my opinion of his LACK of fitness on these charges.
I've said so multiple times.

I'm basing my strenuous objection to his elevation (to SCOTUS) on WHO he is.
A privileged elitist liar.

I'm quite surprised All3 would support an individual of Kavanaugh's ilk given all his railing about the evils of the 2 parties!

Alt Right is equally as bad as Progressive Left. I am Independent with a strong BS detector. I want the FBI to investigate Feinstein she ruined both Ford and Kav forever because she is a political hack.

"Are you really that naive?"

Boris. I think YOU are the one being naive on this one! And blinded by partisan spin and bias.
In simple terms. 100% WRONG!

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 2:33:00 PM (view original):
"Are you really that naive?"

Boris. I think YOU are the one being naive on this one! And blinded by partisan spin and bias.
In simple terms. 100% WRONG!

I am talking about Feinstein.

I am 100% right. 1000000000%. If I accuse you of being a Holocaust Denier at 17 and ruin your life w/o any proof. How would you feel? The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accuser. ALWAYS!

Stop with the Feinstein attack. YOU KNOW NOTHING!

You're just trying to deflect onto something else because YOU can't handle the truth about Kavanaugh and your horridly mistaken "gut" feeling!!

I laugh at you.

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 2:36:00 PM (view original):
Stop with the Feinstein attack. YOU KNOW NOTHING!

You're just trying to deflect onto something else because YOU can't handle the truth about Kavanaugh and your horridly mistaken "gut" feeling!!

I laugh at you.

Keep laughing. Feinstein could have kept this on the down low and conducted the interview privately. I give you one last chance to take back that last comment or I will attack in kind and you won't like it. Last chance to be civil. I believe that you think Kav is guilty. I disagree. But we should both agree that Feinstein mishandled this.

Problem is if the FBI finds nothing you won't care and still will believe that Kav is guilty. Correct?

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/1/2018 2:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2018 2:33:00 PM (view original):
"Are you really that naive?"

Boris. I think YOU are the one being naive on this one! And blinded by partisan spin and bias.
In simple terms. 100% WRONG!

I am talking about Feinstein.

I am 100% right. 1000000000%. If I accuse you of being a Holocaust Denier at 17 and ruin your life w/o any proof. How would you feel? The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accuser. ALWAYS!

In a criminal case you are correct.

This is FAR from a criminal matter.
There IS no burden of proof.

THAT shows how stupid you are.

This is a political issue and a judgment the SENATE makes within it's advise and consent authority under our LAW. (The Constitution)
You, nor I, have little say so and NOTHING to do with it.

Wait for (whatever level of) the Truth to come out.

Trump will get a do-over.

No harm to none of you right wing biased fools.

I still predict Kavanaugh withdraws by Wednesday midnight!