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Posted by toddcommish on 6/22/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
It bears mentioning that the most "successful" countries at stifling the spread of Covid have primarily been island countries that have essentially isolated themselves (Iceland, New Zealand, Taiwan, Japan) It doesn't seem a "racist" a policy when you can just turn away boats and planes, as opposed to some poor dude that is just driving over the border...

Yet, when I suggested that, the tolerant Left immediately called me a racist. Interesting, right?

The "tolerant left" is an oxymoron. If you don't agree with their platforms, you're a fascist or a racist. And that's why the left will always have trouble gathering the center. And the funny thing is that they're always doubling down on the rhetoric despite alienating the middle (who are essentially just trying to be left alone)...

You have people on the right who do the exact same thing, and on top of that, scream "Jews will not replace us." Calm down.

Cool thing about being a Jew, tang, is that both sides seem to equally hate me for something I cannot control.

I have never been attacked for being Jewish by the left. Not once. They might attack you for being a Zionist, but not for being Jewish.

If some people on the right had their way, both of us would be dead. We would be forcefully removed from our homes, and if we rejected, the state would murder us. Not just Jews. Black people, brown people, etc. Let's not pretend that the left has a monopoly on crazies.

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Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Here's what I would have done (and what the experts would have done):

Trump banned travel from China on the 24th. Good job Trump. Immediately after that decision, I would have instituted a wide-spread contact tracing program, as well as invoked the Defense Production Act and pumped out as many testing kits as possible. Even before the virus, experts were warning Trump that the US was NOT prepared for a pandemic. Before the virus hit, I would have developed a plan for what the US strategy is in case of a virus.

These steps were taken by countries such as South Korea, who was able to keep the virus at a minimum. Social distancing should have also been mandated far sooner. The complete shutdown should never have had to be enacted. It only happened because Trump waited for so long to address the virus; it was a last resort.

Trump's rhetoric on the pandemic has been horrible from the start. He has not endorsed masks (he doesn't wear them) and he keeps touting Hydroxychloroquin, even though the medical professionals told him not to.

Fair but the first death was not until February 29th. Look at what all the other so called experts did. Cuomo sent people back into nursing homes. We were all unprepared. If Trump did that on Jan 25th, I would have called him insane as we didn't have any cases here. Hindsight being 20/20 you're right but it is tough for me to play Monday Morning QB. Think about it, all of Europe made the same mistake and Russia too. We all downplayed this.

Nicole Saphier, MD on Twitter: "While people continue to point fingers, let’s be clear the same people who claim that Trump and others downplayed the coronavirus also downplayed the coronavirus themselves. You know who you are. https://t.co/jSqyTYRHnn" / Twitter

.....and compare us to the EU today.....

Exactly. The EU has lowered their cases. We haven't. We still haven't rolled out contact tracing on a wide scale.

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/22/2020 2:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Here's what I would have done (and what the experts would have done):

Trump banned travel from China on the 24th. Good job Trump. Immediately after that decision, I would have instituted a wide-spread contact tracing program, as well as invoked the Defense Production Act and pumped out as many testing kits as possible. Even before the virus, experts were warning Trump that the US was NOT prepared for a pandemic. Before the virus hit, I would have developed a plan for what the US strategy is in case of a virus.

These steps were taken by countries such as South Korea, who was able to keep the virus at a minimum. Social distancing should have also been mandated far sooner. The complete shutdown should never have had to be enacted. It only happened because Trump waited for so long to address the virus; it was a last resort.

Trump's rhetoric on the pandemic has been horrible from the start. He has not endorsed masks (he doesn't wear them) and he keeps touting Hydroxychloroquin, even though the medical professionals told him not to.

Fair but the first death was not until February 29th. Look at what all the other so called experts did. Cuomo sent people back into nursing homes. We were all unprepared. If Trump did that on Jan 25th, I would have called him insane as we didn't have any cases here. Hindsight being 20/20 you're right but it is tough for me to play Monday Morning QB. Think about it, all of Europe made the same mistake and Russia too. We all downplayed this.

Nicole Saphier, MD on Twitter: "While people continue to point fingers, let’s be clear the same people who claim that Trump and others downplayed the coronavirus also downplayed the coronavirus themselves. You know who you are. https://t.co/jSqyTYRHnn" / Twitter

.....and compare us to the EU today.....

% wise we are the same as France and better than the UK and Spain. In terms of deaths per population.

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/22/2020 2:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Here's what I would have done (and what the experts would have done):

Trump banned travel from China on the 24th. Good job Trump. Immediately after that decision, I would have instituted a wide-spread contact tracing program, as well as invoked the Defense Production Act and pumped out as many testing kits as possible. Even before the virus, experts were warning Trump that the US was NOT prepared for a pandemic. Before the virus hit, I would have developed a plan for what the US strategy is in case of a virus.

These steps were taken by countries such as South Korea, who was able to keep the virus at a minimum. Social distancing should have also been mandated far sooner. The complete shutdown should never have had to be enacted. It only happened because Trump waited for so long to address the virus; it was a last resort.

Trump's rhetoric on the pandemic has been horrible from the start. He has not endorsed masks (he doesn't wear them) and he keeps touting Hydroxychloroquin, even though the medical professionals told him not to.

Fair but the first death was not until February 29th. Look at what all the other so called experts did. Cuomo sent people back into nursing homes. We were all unprepared. If Trump did that on Jan 25th, I would have called him insane as we didn't have any cases here. Hindsight being 20/20 you're right but it is tough for me to play Monday Morning QB. Think about it, all of Europe made the same mistake and Russia too. We all downplayed this.

Nicole Saphier, MD on Twitter: "While people continue to point fingers, let’s be clear the same people who claim that Trump and others downplayed the coronavirus also downplayed the coronavirus themselves. You know who you are. https://t.co/jSqyTYRHnn" / Twitter

.....and compare us to the EU today.....

Exactly. The EU has lowered their cases. We haven't. We still haven't rolled out contact tracing on a wide scale.

We test more than any other country, by far. Virus is weakening and a vaccine will be here soon. Hopefully.

The EU. Not France, Spain, or UK. Compare us to the EU. Compare the trajectories.

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:56:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 6/22/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
It bears mentioning that the most "successful" countries at stifling the spread of Covid have primarily been island countries that have essentially isolated themselves (Iceland, New Zealand, Taiwan, Japan) It doesn't seem a "racist" a policy when you can just turn away boats and planes, as opposed to some poor dude that is just driving over the border...

Yet, when I suggested that, the tolerant Left immediately called me a racist. Interesting, right?

The "tolerant left" is an oxymoron. If you don't agree with their platforms, you're a fascist or a racist. And that's why the left will always have trouble gathering the center. And the funny thing is that they're always doubling down on the rhetoric despite alienating the middle (who are essentially just trying to be left alone)...

You have people on the right who do the exact same thing, and on top of that, scream "Jews will not replace us." Calm down.

Cool thing about being a Jew, tang, is that both sides seem to equally hate me for something I cannot control.

I have never been attacked for being Jewish by the left. Not once. They might attack you for being a Zionist, but not for being Jewish.

If some people on the right had their way, both of us would be dead. We would be forcefully removed from our homes, and if we rejected, the state would murder us. Not just Jews. Black people, brown people, etc. Let's not pretend that the left has a monopoly on crazies.

Thats the Alt Right and they are few and far between. Zionist to me just means I believe that Israel has the right to exist as a mostly Jewish state. Blasphemy.

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/22/2020 3:00:00 PM (view original):
The EU. Not France, Spain, or UK. Compare us to the EU. Compare the trajectories.

I just gave you the %s. Remove NY and NJ and we are way lower.

Again, what would you have done differently? Cancelled the Super Bowl and locked us down on Jan 25th?

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 3:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/22/2020 3:00:00 PM (view original):
The EU. Not France, Spain, or UK. Compare us to the EU. Compare the trajectories.

I just gave you the %s. Remove NY and NJ and we are way lower.

Again, what would you have done differently? Cancelled the Super Bowl and locked us down on Jan 25th?

I said I agreed with tang.

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/22/2020 3:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 3:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 6/22/2020 3:00:00 PM (view original):
The EU. Not France, Spain, or UK. Compare us to the EU. Compare the trajectories.

I just gave you the %s. Remove NY and NJ and we are way lower.

Again, what would you have done differently? Cancelled the Super Bowl and locked us down on Jan 25th?

I said I agreed with tang.

And I responded to that. So we are at an impasse...it is OK to disagree. It is not OK to bash one another because we disagree.

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/22/2020 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Here's what I would have done (and what the experts would have done):

Trump banned travel from China on the 24th. Good job Trump. Immediately after that decision, I would have instituted a wide-spread contact tracing program, as well as invoked the Defense Production Act and pumped out as many testing kits as possible. Even before the virus, experts were warning Trump that the US was NOT prepared for a pandemic. Before the virus hit, I would have developed a plan for what the US strategy is in case of a virus.

These steps were taken by countries such as South Korea, who was able to keep the virus at a minimum. Social distancing should have also been mandated far sooner. The complete shutdown should never have had to be enacted. It only happened because Trump waited for so long to address the virus; it was a last resort.

Trump's rhetoric on the pandemic has been horrible from the start. He has not endorsed masks (he doesn't wear them) and he keeps touting Hydroxychloroquin, even though the medical professionals told him not to.

Fair but the first death was not until February 29th. Look at what all the other so called experts did. Cuomo sent people back into nursing homes. We were all unprepared. If Trump did that on Jan 25th, I would have called him insane as we didn't have any cases here. Hindsight being 20/20 you're right but it is tough for me to play Monday Morning QB. Think about it, all of Europe made the same mistake and Russia too. We all downplayed this.

Nicole Saphier, MD on Twitter: "While people continue to point fingers, let’s be clear the same people who claim that Trump and others downplayed the coronavirus also downplayed the coronavirus themselves. You know who you are. https://t.co/jSqyTYRHnn" / Twitter

Well, no. What I suggested WAS the expert suggestion at the time. Europe was being hit before we did, so we had even more time to prepare. Even by the time deaths were rolling around, Trump was STILL doing nothing. He acted once it was too late, despite having over a month at least to prepare. There's no excuses for this. Trump ****** up, and a lot of people died when they didn't have to.

You didn't address this.

Posted by coreander on 6/22/2020 2:56:00 PM (view original):
Well voting for DJT might not prove somebody is racist (though, personally my opinion is that it does) but at the very least it proves that racism is not a deal breaker for you in a candidate.

^

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 6/22/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
It bears mentioning that the most "successful" countries at stifling the spread of Covid have primarily been island countries that have essentially isolated themselves (Iceland, New Zealand, Taiwan, Japan) It doesn't seem a "racist" a policy when you can just turn away boats and planes, as opposed to some poor dude that is just driving over the border...

Yet, when I suggested that, the tolerant Left immediately called me a racist. Interesting, right?

The "tolerant left" is an oxymoron. If you don't agree with their platforms, you're a fascist or a racist. And that's why the left will always have trouble gathering the center. And the funny thing is that they're always doubling down on the rhetoric despite alienating the middle (who are essentially just trying to be left alone)...

You have people on the right who do the exact same thing, and on top of that, scream "Jews will not replace us." Calm down.

Cool thing about being a Jew, tang, is that both sides seem to equally hate me for something I cannot control.

I have never been attacked for being Jewish by the left. Not once. They might attack you for being a Zionist, but not for being Jewish.

If some people on the right had their way, both of us would be dead. We would be forcefully removed from our homes, and if we rejected, the state would murder us. Not just Jews. Black people, brown people, etc. Let's not pretend that the left has a monopoly on crazies.

Thats the Alt Right and they are few and far between. Zionist to me just means I believe that Israel has the right to exist as a mostly Jewish state. Blasphemy.

The alt-right is actually very prevalent within the Republican party. I don't really care about this though. I want to talk about the economy now. You said that you liked Trump's economy because of stock market and unemployment. I want to know which policies you think he passed that benefited the economy.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/22/2020 2:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 6/22/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
It bears mentioning that the most "successful" countries at stifling the spread of Covid have primarily been island countries that have essentially isolated themselves (Iceland, New Zealand, Taiwan, Japan) It doesn't seem a "racist" a policy when you can just turn away boats and planes, as opposed to some poor dude that is just driving over the border...

Yet, when I suggested that, the tolerant Left immediately called me a racist. Interesting, right?

The "tolerant left" is an oxymoron. If you don't agree with their platforms, you're a fascist or a racist. And that's why the left will always have trouble gathering the center. And the funny thing is that they're always doubling down on the rhetoric despite alienating the middle (who are essentially just trying to be left alone)...

You have people on the right who do the exact same thing, and on top of that, scream "Jews will not replace us." Calm down.

Cool thing about being a Jew, tang, is that both sides seem to equally hate me for something I cannot control.

I have never been attacked for being Jewish by the left. Not once. They might attack you for being a Zionist, but not for being Jewish.

If some people on the right had their way, both of us would be dead. We would be forcefully removed from our homes, and if we rejected, the state would murder us. Not just Jews. Black people, brown people, etc. Let's not pretend that the left has a monopoly on crazies.

Thats the Alt Right and they are few and far between. Zionist to me just means I believe that Israel has the right to exist as a mostly Jewish state. Blasphemy.

The alt-right is actually very prevalent within the Republican party. I don't really care about this though. I want to talk about the economy now. You said that you liked Trump's economy because of stock market and unemployment. I want to know which policies you think he passed that benefited the economy.

With all due respect, I have zero interest is speaking with someone who called me a "racist" twice in this thread and then added "defund the police". Thank you but no thank you.

Tang didn't say any of that and nobody agrees with core.

But whatever helps you, man.

I didn't say that.