Pos	Usage%	2pt%#	3pt%#	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	76-77 Lakers	C	26.5	58.3	24	58.1	8.7	25.4	11.4	1.3	4.4	9446969
Jason Kidd	09-10 Mavericks	PG	14.6	41.7	42.4	55.4	1.8	14.8	31.8	2.3	0.7	6807364
Shawn Marion	06-07 Suns	SF	19.5	58.5	31.6	56.1	6.6	21.1	5.2	2.3	2.3	8410156
John Collins	19-20 Hawks	PF	22.7	63.2	40	63.2	8.3	22.6	5.3	0.9	2.6	4487706
Christian Wood	19-20 Pistons	PF	23	62.6	38.4	62	8.2	23	5.6	1.1	2.3	4434003
Chris Mullin	89-90 Warriors	SF	24.8	57	37.5	57	4.9	11.3	12.7	1.7	0.8	7633475
Brandon Clarke	19-20 Grizzlies	PF	18.7	64.8	35.8	64.2	7	18.9	7	1	2	3642143

should turn out as well as all my other turns in this league. listen, i'm not an idiot. i'm not very good at this. i'm in this post-knowing haze where everything i thought i knew must be wrong enough. at this moment i'm just using my gut & fudging a lot of numbers i thought were sacred. oh well. here goes

good efficiency

I'm still in the eternal, "Finally, a team that will go deep into the playoffs" phase. I still don't know I'm not very good at this. I think I am an idiot.

Posted by bds9992 on 10/15/2020 10:19:00 PM (view original):

		Pos	Usage%	2pt%#	3pt%#	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	76-77 Lakers	C	26.5	58.3	24	58.1	8.7	25.4	11.4	1.3	4.4	9446969
Jason Kidd	09-10 Mavericks	PG	14.6	41.7	42.4	55.4	1.8	14.8	31.8	2.3	0.7	6807364
Shawn Marion	06-07 Suns	SF	19.5	58.5	31.6	56.1	6.6	21.1	5.2	2.3	2.3	8410156
John Collins	19-20 Hawks	PF	22.7	63.2	40	63.2	8.3	22.6	5.3	0.9	2.6	4487706
Christian Wood	19-20 Pistons	PF	23	62.6	38.4	62	8.2	23	5.6	1.1	2.3	4434003
Chris Mullin	89-90 Warriors	SF	24.8	57	37.5	57	4.9	11.3	12.7	1.7	0.8	7633475
Brandon Clarke	19-20 Grizzlies	PF	18.7	64.8	35.8	64.2	7	18.9	7	1	2	3642143

should turn out as well as all my other turns in this league. listen, i'm not an idiot. i'm not very good at this. i'm in this post-knowing haze where everything i thought i knew must be wrong enough. at this moment i'm just using my gut & fudging a lot of numbers i thought were sacred. oh well. here goes

There's a lot to like here. When putting the depth chart together, I see why you were talking about possibly playing Marion at SG, though I assume the pick of Mullin means you're scrapping that at least in part. (Fair warning, I have been suckered in by the siren song of that 89-90 Mullin season before; it's on my short list of "SIM seasons that never seem to perform as well as they should.")

I'm not sure I understand the use of that Kareem season over the ones with higher minutes and more usage, but you said it's the one that works the best for your design, and there really are a lot of usable Kareem seasons.

Depending on what kind of backups you're able to get for Kidd and Kareem, I could see this being a solid team. Defense might have too much of a "pretty good but not great" vibe going on (same for my team, except I also have Jokic's 39 D).

Posted by copernicus on 10/8/2020 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by longtallbrad on 10/8/2020 11:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 10/8/2020 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Name	Yr	Pos	MPG	USG	eFG	ORB	DRB	CRB	AST	DEF
		PG						0
		SG						0
		SF						0
Giannis	18	PF	27	37.5	58.9	7.4	32.7	40.1	20.6	90
Bill Walton	76	C	28	20.8	52.9	9.4	31.5	40.9	11.8	93
				58.3	56.76	16.8	64.2	81.0	32.4	91.5

That’s pretty fun so far.

Light on quantity (minutes) but high on quality.

that's the rub isn't it? drafting short minutes guys early in a higher cap league - will you wind up leaving dollars on the table or minutes? - not sure what the right answer is to that one

Still tinkering but right now I only left $10k on the table and have 19490 minutes

Name	Pos	Usg	EFG	3PM	OReb	Dreb	Ast	DEF
09-10 Rajon Rondo	PG	20.3	51.7	17	4.1	9.9	34.9	90
82-83 Buck Williams	PF	18.4	58.8	0	13.4	24.2	4.7	70
18-19 James Harden	SG	40.5	54.1	378	2.3	16.5	25.2	76
91-92 Horace Grant	PF	15.5	57.8	0	13.5	17.1	8.3	78
17-18 Clint Capela	C	19.4	65.2	0	12.5	28.9	4.2	73
18-19 Derrick Favors	PF	19.4	60	17	12.3	19.9	6	93
19-20 D'Angelo Russell	PG	32.2	52.4	152	1.3	10.6	24.4	40

The Mission: Surround the Beard with efficient shooting and offensive rebounding. Don't sell out for defense at the expense of efficiency.
What I thought went well: I was not tied to playing Harden at PG or SG until the 6th round- Had Danny Green fallen to me I was playing Harden at PG and running low on assists (50+% but barely). When Green got taken I decided Rondo might be a good running mate to get more defense in the backcourt. I wish his usage was sub 18.5%, but not so lucky. I think Harden gives this flexibility, as he's both enough usage for the backcourt, can pass and can score, so really either position is possible. Danny Green would have been cool, though.
Where I failed: Harden is hard to back up. D'Angelo Russell early in the sixth? Not great. Maybe I should have taken a better player earlier in the draft and used that person as a compliment at PG or SG. I also worry that I just don't have enough usage despite Harden's 40+%...I have never built a team like this with only one primary scorer. If it fails, it will be because the floor for team total points per game in this league could be 110, and I will get smoked if that is the case. Or, my 70ish 8 man rotation defense gets run off the floor!
Basic premise: 56.7% rotation eFG. Front court is a multi-faceted hydra of 12+% oReb and 60ish eFG% bigs ready to put back anything the Beard throws up there. 46.5% oReb, 96.5% dReb in the starting lineup.

Anyone care to offer a second opinion?

Posted by dBKC on 10/16/2020 1:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 10/8/2020 11:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by longtallbrad on 10/8/2020 11:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 10/8/2020 10:59:00 AM (view original):

Name	Yr	Pos	MPG	USG	eFG	ORB	DRB	CRB	AST	DEF
		PG						0
		SG						0
		SF						0
Giannis	18	PF	27	37.5	58.9	7.4	32.7	40.1	20.6	90
Bill Walton	76	C	28	20.8	52.9	9.4	31.5	40.9	11.8	93
				58.3	56.76	16.8	64.2	81.0	32.4	91.5

That’s pretty fun so far.

Light on quantity (minutes) but high on quality.

that's the rub isn't it? drafting short minutes guys early in a higher cap league - will you wind up leaving dollars on the table or minutes? - not sure what the right answer is to that one

Still tinkering but right now I only left $10k on the table and have 19490 minutes

well you're doing better than me

Posted by mikee1 on 10/17/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):

Name	Pos	Usg	EFG	3PM	OReb	Dreb	Ast	DEF
09-10 Rajon Rondo	PG	20.3	51.7	17	4.1	9.9	34.9	90
82-83 Buck Williams	PF	18.4	58.8	0	13.4	24.2	4.7	70
18-19 James Harden	SG	40.5	54.1	378	2.3	16.5	25.2	76
91-92 Horace Grant	PF	15.5	57.8	0	13.5	17.1	8.3	78
17-18 Clint Capela	C	19.4	65.2	0	12.5	28.9	4.2	73
18-19 Derrick Favors	PF	19.4	60	17	12.3	19.9	6	93
19-20 D'Angelo Russell	PG	32.2	52.4	152	1.3	10.6	24.4	40

The Mission: Surround the Beard with efficient shooting and offensive rebounding. Don't sell out for defense at the expense of efficiency.
What I thought went well: I was not tied to playing Harden at PG or SG until the 6th round- Had Danny Green fallen to me I was playing Harden at PG and running low on assists (50+% but barely). When Green got taken I decided Rondo might be a good running mate to get more defense in the backcourt. I wish his usage was sub 18.5%, but not so lucky. I think Harden gives this flexibility, as he's both enough usage for the backcourt, can pass and can score, so really either position is possible. Danny Green would have been cool, though.
Where I failed: Harden is hard to back up. D'Angelo Russell early in the sixth? Not great. Maybe I should have taken a better player earlier in the draft and used that person as a compliment at PG or SG. I also worry that I just don't have enough usage despite Harden's 40+%...I have never built a team like this with only one primary scorer. If it fails, it will be because the floor for team total points per game in this league could be 110, and I will get smoked if that is the case. Or, my 70ish 8 man rotation defense gets run off the floor!
Basic premise: 56.7% rotation eFG. Front court is a multi-faceted hydra of 12+% oReb and 60ish eFG% bigs ready to put back anything the Beard throws up there. 46.5% oReb, 96.5% dReb in the starting lineup.

Anyone care to offer a second opinion?

I’m currently running a Harden team with a record of 18-3, which is a sentence I never thought I’d type or say.

Your defense is definitely good enough, but Rondo is kind of dead weight on a Harden team: you don’t need his inefficient scoring, extra passing or lack of 3s.

Horace, Clint and Favors are definitely the right idea. I’d look for a very efficient, not necessarily defensively gifted 4 pt guy for Harden to feed and it’s off to the races.

As is, I think Rondo holds you back. 38-45 wins

Danny Fortson in one season has a defensive rating of 6

I feel like as a 5'10" dude with fairly good muscle density I could muster a 6, if I took one solid charge would that not merit a 6? all I would have to do is just stand there and be willing to be run over, that's a 6 right? couldn't a traffic cone get at least a 6?

that is all

Posted by bds9992 on 10/17/2020 10:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mikee1 on 10/17/2020 6:08:00 PM (view original):

Name	Pos	Usg	EFG	3PM	OReb	Dreb	Ast	DEF
09-10 Rajon Rondo	PG	20.3	51.7	17	4.1	9.9	34.9	90
82-83 Buck Williams	PF	18.4	58.8	0	13.4	24.2	4.7	70
18-19 James Harden	SG	40.5	54.1	378	2.3	16.5	25.2	76
91-92 Horace Grant	PF	15.5	57.8	0	13.5	17.1	8.3	78
17-18 Clint Capela	C	19.4	65.2	0	12.5	28.9	4.2	73
18-19 Derrick Favors	PF	19.4	60	17	12.3	19.9	6	93
19-20 D'Angelo Russell	PG	32.2	52.4	152	1.3	10.6	24.4	40

The Mission: Surround the Beard with efficient shooting and offensive rebounding. Don't sell out for defense at the expense of efficiency.
What I thought went well: I was not tied to playing Harden at PG or SG until the 6th round- Had Danny Green fallen to me I was playing Harden at PG and running low on assists (50+% but barely). When Green got taken I decided Rondo might be a good running mate to get more defense in the backcourt. I wish his usage was sub 18.5%, but not so lucky. I think Harden gives this flexibility, as he's both enough usage for the backcourt, can pass and can score, so really either position is possible. Danny Green would have been cool, though.
Where I failed: Harden is hard to back up. D'Angelo Russell early in the sixth? Not great. Maybe I should have taken a better player earlier in the draft and used that person as a compliment at PG or SG. I also worry that I just don't have enough usage despite Harden's 40+%...I have never built a team like this with only one primary scorer. If it fails, it will be because the floor for team total points per game in this league could be 110, and I will get smoked if that is the case. Or, my 70ish 8 man rotation defense gets run off the floor!
Basic premise: 56.7% rotation eFG. Front court is a multi-faceted hydra of 12+% oReb and 60ish eFG% bigs ready to put back anything the Beard throws up there. 46.5% oReb, 96.5% dReb in the starting lineup.

Anyone care to offer a second opinion?

I’m currently running a Harden team with a record of 18-3, which is a sentence I never thought I’d type or say.

Your defense is definitely good enough, but Rondo is kind of dead weight on a Harden team: you don’t need his inefficient scoring, extra passing or lack of 3s.

Horace, Clint and Favors are definitely the right idea. I’d look for a very efficient, not necessarily defensively gifted 4 pt guy for Harden to feed and it’s off to the races.

As is, I think Rondo holds you back. 38-45 wins

This was my thinking on the Curry team (Curry-Calderon-Siakam-Camby-Olajuwon) I took the 400+ 3's version of Calderon instead of the 30+% assist version. I'm hoping fewer assists means Olajuwon giving more shots to Curry.

The Bearded Hydra is polarizing! Ben and Midge have me top 6 on their priority list. Vance and Sam bottom 3.

Drafting divisions was a fun implementation- would love to see data to demonstrate track records but that's a big ask even for our WIS archivists.

Posted by copernicus on 10/18/2020 7:47:00 PM (view original):
Danny Fortson in one season has a defensive rating of 6

I feel like as a 5'10" dude with fairly good muscle density I could muster a 6, if I took one solid charge would that not merit a 6? all I would have to do is just stand there and be willing to be run over, that's a 6 right? couldn't a traffic cone get at least a 6?

that is all

Must be a sim glitch. Can a good rebounder (albeit a foul-prone dude) really be the worst defender on record? Worse than, say, Kiki Vandeweghe?

Also, if we're not going to bestow Bill Russell with a D rating in the 90-100 range, can we at least pare down the ratings of the likes of Gervin and Harden?

Posted by mikee1 on 10/20/2020 8:38:00 AM (view original):
The Bearded Hydra is polarizing! Ben and Midge have me top 6 on their priority list. Vance and Sam bottom 3.

Drafting divisions was a fun implementation- would love to see data to demonstrate track records but that's a big ask even for our WIS archivists.

So somebody must be wrong...

Posted by Midge on 10/21/2020 3:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mikee1 on 10/20/2020 8:38:00 AM (view original):
The Bearded Hydra is polarizing! Ben and Midge have me top 6 on their priority list. Vance and Sam bottom 3.

Drafting divisions was a fun implementation- would love to see data to demonstrate track records but that's a big ask even for our WIS archivists.

So somebody must be wrong...

My prediction: all four are wrong. The team finishes within 2 games of .500 either way. Need a hot streak to make the playoffs, or need to avoid a cold one to avoid an early demise