Posted by tarheel1991 on 3/10/2021 7:38:00 PM (view original):
I gotta say, I just do not understand the draw of picking Klay Thompson so highly in this league. I realize he brings a ton of threes...but the rest of the package is just so meh for an early-round pick, and he plays the position that I think is easiest to fill in this draft. Just don't see the value.

I totally agree. He's a one trick pony with better defense and usage than the dime-a-dozen SG/SF's that go much later in the draft.

He's either a small forward who rebounds like Stockton or a SG that passes like Rodman. I get the efficiency and 3's, but for me ... no thanks.

ahh terrific. always nice to have a pick dumped on by people that win in this league!

Posted by mikee1 on 3/10/2021 8:49:00 PM (view original):
ahh terrific. always nice to have a pick dumped on by people that win in this league!

Yeah, that's no fun. I was the dumbass who took Klay in the first round, so I feel your pain.

The good news is that AD gives you tons of good stuff per minute and is almost one of the top ten players in the sim over a 5 year period in that respect. And more good news is that while Klay is pretty one dimensional, he does give you a lot of good in said dimension. You just really need to get dimes somewhere you don't typically see later on or get a PG who has tons of dimes to make up for the assist deficiency. I made the playoffs with two of my teams with Klay, so you definitely can do even better than I did!

Posted by mikee1 on 3/10/2021 8:49:00 PM (view original):
ahh terrific. always nice to have a pick dumped on by people that win in this league!

We have only played this league thrice. There are no experts. Carry on.

Posted by mikee1 on 3/10/2021 8:49:00 PM (view original):
ahh terrific. always nice to have a pick dumped on by people that win in this league!

Sorry mikee. I didn't mean to dump on your pick. It was great value and right where he should have gone. He also has 5 very usable seasons and provides outstanding efficiency and 3's. I was just adding to the sentiment that his weaknesses are so weak that it's strange he consistently gets picked so high. But based on value ... yeah it was a great pick for you. And Robusk is right ... in this league there are no experts. So take what we say with a big grain of salt.

Posted by kinoa1 on 3/10/2021 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mikee1 on 3/10/2021 8:49:00 PM (view original):
ahh terrific. always nice to have a pick dumped on by people that win in this league!

Sorry mikee. I didn't mean to dump on your pick. It was great value and right where he should have gone. He also has 5 very usable seasons and provides outstanding efficiency and 3's. I was just adding to the sentiment that his weaknesses are so weak that it's strange he consistently gets picked so high. But based on value ... yeah it was a great pick for you. And Robusk is right ... in this league there are no experts. So take what we say with a big grain of salt.

I think it was good you offered your opinion. That is what this thread is for. Everyone should express all their thoughts. But I also think everyone should take it all with a grain of salt. I'd like for it to be a dumping ground of ideas but also where no one takes it personally. That is the only way we grow and get better.

I agree. It was definitely meant to be more of a criticism of the player and, more specifically, his stats, or lack thereof. Not a criticism of the pick.

quick hits on the duos drafted thus far. Spoiler alert: I have no negative opinions.

13. 24kpyrite - Charles Barkley, Jason Kidd - Nice early board superiority without drafting the big rebounding positions! Nice inside/out. Lots of boxes checked.

14. ashamael - James Harden, Ben Wallace - I believe I checked a lot of boxes & set myself up to grab the best available player for the next several rounds.

15. 20ks - Kevin Garnett, Steve Nash - It's no secret that I don't like Garnett in a normal league, but for this league, he has absurdly good value. He gives you a bunch of everything you want over five seasons and is probably a top 10 in the sim in that regard. Nash gives you the monster efg% that KG doesn't.

16. jcred5 - Larry Bird, Gary Payton - I think you succeeded in grabbing great value in each pick and set yourself up for almost optimal flexibility going forward.

17. mikee1 - Anthony Davis, Klay Thompson - as I said earlier, AD is almost a top 10 per minute guy over five seasons, giving you all kinds of goodies. Klay is very good at what he does.

18. notoriousj - Artis Gilmore, Dennis Rodman - This is like a sim wet dream. You have all of the boards, excellent defense, and top notch efg% already. Real interested to see what you do in the back court.

19. bds9992 - DeAndre Jordan, Kevin McHale - nice efg% & defense. Too many teams that draft McHale don't have the boards elsewhere to support him. That is not the case here.

20. kinoa1 - Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard - I actually think Duncan is kind of underrated here. Kawhi was a great value here as well. You've got all five positions pretty much on lock down defensively already with good offense and boards.

21. benhoidal - John Stockton, Julius Erving - I don't like seeing this. Is Ben back? This is ******* frightening.

22. amerk1180 - Moses Malone, Scottie Pippen - I think Moses gets **** on a lot by a lot of people, but he's really nice in this format. This feels about where he should go. Defense, great boards, solid offense. Does a lot of things. Pippen is solid all around. I would say I prefer Dr. J, but Pippen does give you threes, so it's almost six of one, half dozen of another. You're super flexible going forward.

23. midge - Magic Johnson, Rudy Gobert - I feel like both of these guys went exactly where they should, and together give you supreme flexibility picking their teammates. Nice boards. Dimes are on point. Good efg & solid start with usage. Defense. I don't know what isn't to like here.

24. dh555 - Hakeem Olajuwon, Dwyane Wade - This has shades of Ben's 1.0 team. I don't like that. Get the **** out of here with that. But, no, seriously, holy **** at the defensive lock down. Both players have 5-year value in this neighborhood or better. 3-year value is even better. I think I like Ben's Dr. J better than D-Wade, but you can do D-Wade at PG so it could be even better. IDK. I'm gd scared of this duo already.

Reading tone in these things is tough sometimes. By no means did I mean to start a pity party! I can see Klay as one dimensional, and I can see he makes up for AD's middling efficiency while also playing a very clean game. I have drafted too few 3s for the last two seasons, so I am hoping Klay can get me started there.

As always, feel free to express opinions etc. That is what makes this community great. I welcome the feedback. I do not want to be a savage cellar dweller again this season!

Maybe more than any other team right now, I think you have a great setup to take the best player available. A lot of time to make up for Klay's shortcomings with all of the great things he brings

I was hoping a PG from the group of Kidd/Payton/Nash/Robertson would fall to me in the second, but I knew it was unlikely. Didn't like the other guard options quite enough so went with Chandler. Great start in the frontcourt, but we'll see how bleak the available guard options are when it gets back to me in the third.

Posted by mikee1 on 3/10/2021 11:43:00 PM (view original):
Reading tone in these things is tough sometimes. By no means did I mean to start a pity party! I can see Klay as one dimensional, and I can see he makes up for AD's middling efficiency while also playing a very clean game. I have drafted too few 3s for the last two seasons, so I am hoping Klay can get me started there.

As always, feel free to express opinions etc. That is what makes this community great. I welcome the feedback. I do not want to be a savage cellar dweller again this season!

I hear ya. And as robusk says, there are no experts in this league; it's such a radically different draft format. My concerns about Klay are mostly with respect to positional value; I think wings are easier to find than other positions in this league, and while Klay does a couple things really well I'm not sure he does enough things well to justify such a high draft position from a wing. The biggest selling point for me would be that he gives you a very consistent statistical profile over five seasons, which makes him easier to build around than some other guys whose best seasons vary more with respect to things like positional eligibility (like Giannis) and usage (like, well, Giannis plus some other guys). For example, to call out another wing picked in the second round (who I have also drafted in the second round in this league!), I like Shawn Marion's numbers better than Klay's, but Marion is a little more difficult to build around because he varies a lot from season to season in those and other traits. (Though I'm sure robusk can handle it.)

You are certainly not the first guy to pick Thompson in that range. I just think he consistently gets drafted a little too high.

@dh - you know I would play anyone just about anywhere with zero shame, but the presence of DJ makes me think I can get away with McHale at the 4.

I have no problem with playing him at 97% effectiveness - he's way more efficient than the other options I had at that pick - but the question really comes down to whether I'll need more rebounding or passing. so quite a bit hinges on my next pick. I'll keep you all guessing for a few more hours hahahahaha

Posted by tarheel1991 on 3/11/2021 10:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mikee1 on 3/10/2021 11:43:00 PM (view original):
Reading tone in these things is tough sometimes. By no means did I mean to start a pity party! I can see Klay as one dimensional, and I can see he makes up for AD's middling efficiency while also playing a very clean game. I have drafted too few 3s for the last two seasons, so I am hoping Klay can get me started there.

As always, feel free to express opinions etc. That is what makes this community great. I welcome the feedback. I do not want to be a savage cellar dweller again this season!

I hear ya. And as robusk says, there are no experts in this league; it's such a radically different draft format. My concerns about Klay are mostly with respect to positional value; I think wings are easier to find than other positions in this league, and while Klay does a couple things really well I'm not sure he does enough things well to justify such a high draft position from a wing. The biggest selling point for me would be that he gives you a very consistent statistical profile over five seasons, which makes him easier to build around than some other guys whose best seasons vary more with respect to things like positional eligibility (like Giannis) and usage (like, well, Giannis plus some other guys). For example, to call out another wing picked in the second round (who I have also drafted in the second round in this league!), I like Shawn Marion's numbers better than Klay's, but Marion is a little more difficult to build around because he varies a lot from season to season in those and other traits. (Though I'm sure robusk can handle it.)

You are certainly not the first guy to pick Thompson in that range. I just think he consistently gets drafted a little too high.

I'll probably get stuck playing Marion at PF some amount of time for 1-3 seasons. I'll probably have to pair those with Howard's most beastly rebounding seasons. I definitely boxed myself into getting a comparable player who plan play both PF and SF at some point in this draft. I wanted a guard but no one who fit was left. It isn't an ideal pick by any stretch of the imagination. I think the two seasons where he is 100 at SF (one is also 100 at SG) and high 80s D will probably be my best two teams.

I probably should not have made it at 3:45 in the morning or whenever I made it.Unfortunately I decided to check my phone when I woke up for a glass of water and discussions about amerk's real or imagined dalliances with Peggy shocked me to my core and I figured I may as go ahead and make the pick.

Steph + KAT is super interesting.

KAT was definitely BPA, and gives you two great high-volume scorers and TONS of 3s already, but it leaves you with 2 poor defenders in your starting 5 as well. Interesting move. I’m sure you’ll make it work, but it’s one of the more interesting combos so far.