This is by far the toughest draft I’ve been apart of and the worst team I’ll put out there (and that’s saying a lot hahaha)

Posted by steelers821 on 8/11/2022 7:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/11/2022 7:23:00 PM (view original):
Harden / XXX
Vanderbilt / G Wallace
C Wood / Love (they were originally going to be SGs... but don't need to anymore)
Marion / XXX
Bogut / XXX

Enough $$$ left over to fill in those spots with pretty decent guys. Strengths are rebounding, lots of pretty good usage, and lack of holes on defense. But only one defender over 75, and the assists, turnovers, and foul game will be a bit ugly. Think it's gonna be a pretty fun team

I wonder who harden’s backup will be. So difficult finding a good one for these super high usage players.

I have a few guys penciled in who don't have the prettiest seasons but will get it done and let me spend elsewhere.

Alternatively, Wood/Love gives me 4 points so as long as I can line up 2 more points elsewhere I don't actually need to back Harden with more than 4 points.

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/11/2022 7:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by steelers821 on 8/11/2022 7:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/11/2022 7:23:00 PM (view original):
Harden / XXX
Vanderbilt / G Wallace
C Wood / Love (they were originally going to be SGs... but don't need to anymore)
Marion / XXX
Bogut / XXX

Enough $$$ left over to fill in those spots with pretty decent guys. Strengths are rebounding, lots of pretty good usage, and lack of holes on defense. But only one defender over 75, and the assists, turnovers, and foul game will be a bit ugly. Think it's gonna be a pretty fun team

I wonder who harden’s backup will be. So difficult finding a good one for these super high usage players.

I have a few guys penciled in who don't have the prettiest seasons but will get it done and let me spend elsewhere.

Alternatively, Wood/Love gives me 4 points so as long as I can line up 2 more points elsewhere I don't actually need to back Harden with more than 4 points.

That’s true. I can’t remember is the usage % floor 90? Will you that?

100

I will work on some evals when the draft finishes.

Posted by steelers821 on 8/11/2022 8:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/11/2022 7:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by steelers821 on 8/11/2022 7:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/11/2022 7:23:00 PM (view original):
Harden / XXX
Vanderbilt / G Wallace
C Wood / Love (they were originally going to be SGs... but don't need to anymore)
Marion / XXX
Bogut / XXX

Enough $$$ left over to fill in those spots with pretty decent guys. Strengths are rebounding, lots of pretty good usage, and lack of holes on defense. But only one defender over 75, and the assists, turnovers, and foul game will be a bit ugly. Think it's gonna be a pretty fun team

I wonder who harden’s backup will be. So difficult finding a good one for these super high usage players.

I have a few guys penciled in who don't have the prettiest seasons but will get it done and let me spend elsewhere.

Alternatively, Wood/Love gives me 4 points so as long as I can line up 2 more points elsewhere I don't actually need to back Harden with more than 4 points.

That’s true. I can’t remember is the usage % floor 90? Will you that?

I don't believe there is a "floor" for usage. If I've internalized ash's usage findings correctly, there is a penalty for usage points, and one for individual usage (player has taken more shots than their RL per game equivalent) but not for cumulative usage.

Now, if you don't have enough cumulative usage you're likely to end up hitting those individual usage penalties and that's pretty bad. But I don't think there's any check for cumulative usage % on the floor.

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/12/2022 12:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by steelers821 on 8/11/2022 8:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/11/2022 7:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by steelers821 on 8/11/2022 7:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/11/2022 7:23:00 PM (view original):
Harden / XXX
Vanderbilt / G Wallace
C Wood / Love (they were originally going to be SGs... but don't need to anymore)
Marion / XXX
Bogut / XXX

Enough $$$ left over to fill in those spots with pretty decent guys. Strengths are rebounding, lots of pretty good usage, and lack of holes on defense. But only one defender over 75, and the assists, turnovers, and foul game will be a bit ugly. Think it's gonna be a pretty fun team

I wonder who harden’s backup will be. So difficult finding a good one for these super high usage players.

I have a few guys penciled in who don't have the prettiest seasons but will get it done and let me spend elsewhere.

Alternatively, Wood/Love gives me 4 points so as long as I can line up 2 more points elsewhere I don't actually need to back Harden with more than 4 points.

That’s true. I can’t remember is the usage % floor 90? Will you that?

I don't believe there is a "floor" for usage. If I've internalized ash's usage findings correctly, there is a penalty for usage points, and one for individual usage (player has taken more shots than their RL per game equivalent) but not for cumulative usage.

Now, if you don't have enough cumulative usage you're likely to end up hitting those individual usage penalties and that's pretty bad. But I don't think there's any check for cumulative usage % on the floor.

Cumulative usage is based on the point system. You need to be above 10 points to not incur that penalty.

quote from Ash’s usage thread, “Think about what usage means (as defined earlier) a minute. If you have less than 100% usage on the floor, someone is going to end up with more possessions in the sim than the did IRL. That triggers the individual penalty. This occurs on a game by game basis, not the season total, so realize that at any point, sim randomness & outliers can and will screw you. To ensure that you will never hit the individual possession penalty, you would likely have to waste a great deal of salary by spending too much on usage, ending up with several players who won't get their RL possessions. But you can achieve a reasonable balance where it is unlikely that you will have too many players hit the individual possession penalty while not wasting too much of your salary on it.”

I find that % is a better way for me to keep track of both the individual and team penalty floors - I can get 10 points and still trigger the individual penalty transaction - I am less likely to do that if I always just have 100% amongst my 5 active players

Yeah to be clear I aim for aroud 105 combined usage across the team. My starting lineups are always around there or above too. But I don't worry too much if a lineup with a few backups in has less than 100 on the floor for a few minutes a game, since I don't think the sim actually checks for that from everything I've seen.

That's what I mean when I say there's no floor for usage on the court other than enough points and eventually individual penalty, because there isn't

gonna be TOIGHT

So is the such thing as too much usage?

Posted by dakjd901 on 8/12/2022 2:49:00 PM (view original):
So is the such thing as too much usage?

Views may vary, but I think above 110 combined usage is high, and anything over 115 is clearly excessive. Even for high tempo teams. Usage is expensive, you want to use what you're paying for

Posted by raggedclaws on 8/12/2022 3:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dakjd901 on 8/12/2022 2:49:00 PM (view original):
So is the such thing as too much usage?

Views may vary, but I think above 110 combined usage is high, and anything over 115 is clearly excessive. Even for high tempo teams. Usage is expensive, you want to use what you're paying for

Yeah it’s not so much above the extra usage being a problem. It’s about the money that your using for that extra usage. Also everyone gets less shots so it’s possible the people you want shooting aren’t shooting as much.

usage costs $$$ - that is all - so with caps that is the cost: what do you don't get because you spent that money on usage?

my understanding is that if you had 5 guys all at 30% usage who all had the same 60% EFG the effect would simply be you were always taking a 60% shot and then you could worry about more granular things like 'from where'...