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.270-.280 OAV pitching is gonna get hit hard. Whip of 1.20 and worse will be giving up way too many base runners. You've gotta have more efficient pitching than that.
12/8/2022 10:36 AM
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1900 Vic Willis is pretty much a waste of nearly $5M, IMO...
12/8/2022 10:37 AM
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Posted by DoctorKz on 12/8/2022 10:36:00 AM (view original):
.270-.280 OAV pitching is gonna get hit hard. Whip of 1.20 and worse will be giving up way too many base runners. You've gotta have more efficient pitching than that.
According to the instructions on the site players get normalized for their eras. Otherwise almost no pitchers from the 20s and 30s would be any good. The average pitcher in the 1930 NL yielded a batting average of well over .300.
12/8/2022 11:13 AM
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They are normalized, yes - but you still have to look at their RL stats. Even a .300oav normalized to .268 is still .268 compared to 2020 where a .200 may normalize to a .220, but it's still .220.

Normalization is important - but you still have to take overall context.

If you click on a players name, you can then click on "performance history" and it'll give you a Best, Worst, AVG performance in open leagues. Can give you an idea on how some guys perform.
12/8/2022 11:21 AM
savoybg
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Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 11:21:00 AM (view original):
They are normalized, yes - but you still have to look at their RL stats. Even a .300oav normalized to .268 is still .268 compared to 2020 where a .200 may normalize to a .220, but it's still .220.

Normalization is important - but you still have to take overall context.

If you click on a players name, you can then click on "performance history" and it'll give you a Best, Worst, AVG performance in open leagues. Can give you an idea on how some guys perform.
I see what you mean. These guys are giving up way too many hits. They show Frank Corridon as yielding a batting average of .250, yet his worst sim season has him yielding a batting average of .559 in 140 innings, and his average season has him yielding a .301 average. If that is what's gonna happen I won't be around here for long.
12/8/2022 11:36 AM
savoybg
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Okay, I dropped Layne and picked up 1931 Bill Harris to be my Closer B for the time being. He's got great numbers but only for 33 innings.
12/8/2022 12:17 PM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 11:21:00 AM (view original):
They are normalized, yes - but you still have to look at their RL stats. Even a .300oav normalized to .268 is still .268 compared to 2020 where a .200 may normalize to a .220, but it's still .220.

Normalization is important - but you still have to take overall context.

If you click on a players name, you can then click on "performance history" and it'll give you a Best, Worst, AVG performance in open leagues. Can give you an idea on how some guys perform.
I see what you mean. These guys are giving up way too many hits. They show Frank Corridon as yielding a batting average of .250, yet his worst sim season has him yielding a batting average of .559 in 140 innings, and his average season has him yielding a .301 average. If that is what's gonna happen I won't be around here for long.
There are a lot of factors (team defense, ballpark, era, etc).

I just built an OL team - I am pretty confident that I'll win 90-100+ games with this squad and will compete for a playoff spot. I have Maddux, Nolasco, and Robitaille starting the first 3 games to account for the early season fatigue J4M referenced, and then I will run a 3man rotation of Alcantara, Halladay, and Haren the rest of the way with spot starts from Maddux, Nolasco, and Robitaille mixed in through the season. I have A+ range at 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, and A range in CF. Cravath and O'Brien both notmalize really well, and I have them in a +3 hit, +3 double, +3 triple, and -3 HR to LF park. I will be one of the best offenses in the league and with a team whip of 1.01, I will be fine pitching wise. I only draft 1234IP, which is low - but will use my 1.6m to pick up another reliever and will push my 3 main starters to 75-80%.
Name (Bats) Pos Order % PA/162 AB/162 HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG Salary
Jonathan Schoop '21 (R) 100 674 623 22 84 2 .278 .320 .435 5.59M
Ian Happ '22 (S) 100 641 573 17 72 9 .271 .342 .440 4.47M
Max Carey '19 (S) 100 321 285 0 9 18 .307 .376 .365 2.39M
Billy O'Brien '87 (R) 100 637 602 19 73 11 .278 .317 .492 4.07M
Reggie Smith '69 (S) 100 607 543 25 93 7 .309 .368 .527 5.28M
Frank Baker '09 (L) 100 642 573 4 85 20 .305 .343 .447 4.89M
Adley Rutschman '22 (S) 100 470 398 13 42 4 .254 .362 .445 3.50M
Andres Gimenez '22 (L) 100 557 491 17 69 20 .297 .371 .466 5.65M
Bench
Name (Bats) Pos Order % PA/162 AB/162 HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG Salary
Sergio Alcantara '20 (S) 100 64 59 1 1 0 .143 .217 .381 200K
Gavvy Cravath '19 (R) 100 302 254 12 45 8 .341 .438 .640 3.84M
Frank O'Rourke '20 (R) 100 62 58 0 5 2 .296 .321 .315 386K
Tyler Stephenson '22 (R) 100 183 166 6 35 1 .319 .372 .482 1.60M
Pitcher Role % G W-L SV IP/162 ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 Salary
Greg Maddux '06 (R) Starter #1 100 12 6-3 0 74.0 3.30 .244 1.09 4.40 1.71 1.83M
Ricky Nolasco '16 (R) Starter #2 100 11 4-6 0 73.0 3.21 .232 1.07 6.29 1.85 1.85M
Chick Robitaille '04 (R) Starter #3 100 9 4-3 0 70.0 1.91 .208 0.98 4.64 1.77 2.27M
Sandy Alcantara '22 (R) Starter #4 100 32 14-9 0 228.2 2.28 .212 0.98 8.15 1.97 7.50M
Roy Halladay '11 (R) Starter #5 100 32 19-6 0 233.2 2.35 .239 1.04 8.47 1.35 7.86M
Danny Haren '11 (R) Starter #6 100 35 16-10 0 238.0 3.17 .235 1.03 7.26 1.25 7.22M
Bullpen
Pitcher Role % G W-L SV IP/162 ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 Salary
Andy Rincon '80 (R) Setup A 100 4 3-1 0 31.0 2.61 .215 0.97 6.39 2.03 945K
Dillon Tate '22 (R) Setup A 100 67 4-4 5 73.2 3.05 .213 0.99 7.33 1.95 2.07M
Dutch Leonard '42 (R) Setup A 100 6 2-2 0 38.0 4.11 .214 0.94 3.86 1.29 1.24M
Ed Walsh '15 (R) Setup A 100 3 3-0 0 29.0 1.33 .202 0.96 4.00 2.33 973K
Hayden Wesneski '22 (R) Setup A 100 6 3-2 0 33.0 2.18 .198 0.94 9.00 1.91 962K
Matt Strahm '20 (L) Setup A 100 19 0-1 0 56.0 2.61 .189 0.87 6.53 1.74 1.56M
Scott Effross '22 (R) Setup A 100 60 1-4 4 56.2 2.54 .213 1.06 9.85 2.38 1.79M
12/8/2022 12:21 PM
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Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.
12/8/2022 12:28 PM
savoybg
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Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.
What's the details on the 536 HRs?

What park, who did you have, and I guess no salary cap?
12/8/2022 12:41 PM
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I've had teams win .500+ with a <$10m pitching staff and teams win 100 with 800 total IP (pre IP minimum), and I've had teams built around HRs, SBs, Range, FLD, BB/9, K/9 all do great, but have also had several teams fail to win 50 while trying different things and learning about the sim. I think you can genuinely find success with any strategy or player in the game. However, there are some fundamental aspects around the pricing model, normalization, fatigue, and decision tree that players need to understand before they start trying to reinvent the wheel or try find success with players or strategies outside of a basic semi-balanced approach around roster building here.

OL are great for getting a feel for the game, but once you have a better understanding, themes and progressives are where the heart of the game is at.
12/8/2022 12:48 PM
savoybg
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Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.
It's not a matter of "liking" how it works, it's a matter of preposterous results like a pitcher who should yield a .250 batting average having a sim season where he yields a batting average over .500 in 140 innings with an ERA in the 20s.

Maybe that can happen in 14 innings, but not in 140 innings.

As for 536 HRs, maybe that can happen in Coors Field with a DH and a lineup of the right seasons of McGwire, Hornsby, A-Rod, A-Rod, Bonds, Sosa, Judge and another McGwire at DH, but there would have to be no salary cap, and who were the other teams drafting?
12/8/2022 12:50 PM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.
What's the details on the 536 HRs?

What park, who did you have, and I guess no salary cap?
The details are linked here: https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=525449&threadID=12388128#l_12388128, it was an OL team.
12/8/2022 12:50 PM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.
It's not a matter of "liking" how it works, it's a matter of preposterous results like a pitcher who should yield a .250 batting average having a sim season where he yields a batting average over .500 in 140 innings with an ERA in the 20s.

Maybe that can happen in 14 innings, but not in 140 innings.

As for 536 HRs, maybe that can happen in Coors Field with a DH and a lineup of the right seasons of McGwire, Hornsby, A-Rod, A-Rod, Bonds, Sosa, Judge and another McGwire at DH, but there would have to be no salary cap, and who were the other teams drafting?
Don't judge the "worst" seasons on a performance history too seriously for pitchers. They are usually skewed by very poor fatigue management and the pitchers pitch many of those games at 0% fatigue or often most of them below 50% fatigue.
12/8/2022 12:52 PM
savoybg
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What's an OL team?
12/8/2022 12:53 PM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:53:00 PM (view original):
What's an OL team?
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