Quote: Originally posted by coach_billyg on 12/26/2009i've never seen a guy who has such a poor understanding of something argue so hard for it.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/26/2009
I am glad we finally agree on something, that you do not have much HD knowledge

Quote: Originally Posted By mandjtesting on 12/26/2009I feel that until you have 50 plus seasons playing HD that you still have something to learn about coaching, after a few seasons I thought I knew the game but as I learned what I thought I knew I knew really knew little about it.

In this game nothing can make up for actually playing the game and learning as you go. even after all the seasons I have played and games won I still learn something new every season. Good information...I'm looking forward to building/trying to build the 4th worst team in D2 Tark history at a school that I love in a conference I've always wanted to be in, with 8 humans to boot.

just because you don't agree with zhawks or dalter or some of the other vet coaches as you play longer you will come to realize that they know what they are talking about. (I used to think that they didn't know anything when I first started) I'm not disputing their success as coaches or anything, they seem to be great players and they are considerably better than me, I'll give you that...but we aren't talking about in-game coaching prowess here, we're talking about my ranking system and using the overall team rating as SOS....and that has nothing to do with how good or bad of coaches they are or I am for that matter. I rank stuff...that's my forte, that's what I do

people like myself, furry nipps and tmac to name just a few where a lot like you colonels at one time and got into arguments a lot on this board and we all have come to learn that there is nothing like experience. Understood and agreed, I am not claiming to be a better coach than any of the folks I've argued with, because I'm not. I realize the truth, but I don't think it thwarts my ranking/SOS thoughts which is what's really on trial here.

it's great to see that you have a passion about the game like we do, it's always great to see that. I hope you can become one of the great coaches here, learn not to argue with the vets, they try to help out the new players and believe it or not they do know what they are talking about. I haven't argued with the vets about anything concerning in game play. The questions and points I've made in other threads....people have been relatively cordial and forthright about in game things that I need help with....I haven't and don't expect to have any problems in that realm.

if you have devised a new ranking system post it so we can see it or send it into CS so if they think it's a good idea maybe they would use it. I'm probably not going to bother, I'm not on WIS XMas card list, and I doubt they would pay to use my systems, so I'm certainly not doing freebies for them...it simply isn't worth it. They already don't have enough people to run the games they have, so to think they'd pay to use the formulas of an outside system is a huge longshot.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 12/26/2009Well colonels, it's clear that you're not a man of your word. You said if I answered your last couple lingering questions, you'd leave the thread. And you're still here. Try being a man of your word.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/27/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 12/26/2009
Well colonels, it's clear that you're not a man of your word. You said if I answered your last couple lingering questions, you'd leave the thread. And you're still here. Try being a man of your word.

I was done, zhawks chimed back in here when it looked like he was done, and here we are. People aren't going to continue to talk about me/my posts on here and I'm going to remain silent...its just not happening

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/27/2009
One thing I am openly considering is adding points to a team's overall rating for beating a human coach rather than a sim "coach"...thus I ask you all....

Without differentiating for coach quality or past success, how many points would you add to a team's overall rating for playing/beating a human coach as opposed to a sim coach?

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 12/27/2009

Trying to come back now and claim that saying, "If you just answer my simple questions, I'll be on my merry way" meant anything other than leaving the thread is a transparent joke and totally disingenuous. I didn't say I was going to leave this thread did I? Nope, that's an interpretation YOU made, plus the circumstances changed again, I didn't anticipate guys like zhawks piping back up...I thought the thread was dying down, that's how it felt and I was comfortable with it going in that direction.

And since you didn't know the proper definition of piggybacking, let's make sure you know this one:

Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating; lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity.

I already explained how he piggy-backed billyg's argument...he put his own vendettas/arguments aside so he could take billyg's comments to help gang up on me and make it a 2 on 1 affair...needing someone else to help fight your battles...classy.

So because you didn't say, "I promise to leave the thread", everything else is null-and-void. Never remotely promised anything, it was guys like you putting words in my mouth. What if you had been crossing your fingers when you promised, would that still count? Considering I didn't promise anything, that statement is null and void. Or because you specifically wanted a one-word answer and I dared to defy you and use multiple words, that invalidates it as well? You not entirely answering my questions/answering my questions YOUR way a bad taste in my mouth. I asked some pretty basic forthright questions and you spun them into what you wanted to answer....did you not? Bottom line is, I intended to leave after those questions, the circs changed via zhawks comments, I never promised anything thus I stuck around. I WILL NOT sit silently when people continue to challenge/come at me...it just won't happen, if you don't like it, too bad. If you really look at the situation...its understandable why I stuck around.

Pathetic. And you're coming up roses.....

Quote: Originally Posted By fd343ny on 12/27/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/27/2009

One thing I am openly considering is adding points to a team's overall rating for beating a human coach rather than a sim "coach"...thus I ask you all....

Without differentiating for coach quality or past success, how many points would you add to a team's overall rating for playing/beating a human coach as opposed to a sim coach?

I think that a human coach generally adds significantly to the strength of a team BUT it depends a lot on how the team is designed.

I'll give on example, some seasons back I a team for a promotion, but the roster was still good. I had a kid coming back for his senior season who was SG with REB of 50 or 60, very good PERI but weak for a SG BH and PASS. He had played at the 3 for me and was primed to start. He would have been a very strong player

SIM came along, recruited a freshman SF it gave the starts to at the 3, used the SR at the 2 where he was mediocre and drove the team into a horrifific season.

The team - if used the way it was designed to be used - would have been an NT team, with a chance of a deep run. As used, it sucked.

I cant express it in points because the difference between human and SIM depends on the nature of the team. A performance based ranking captures these differences - an a priori ratings based ranking cannot.