Posted by robusk on 7/27/2010 10:57:00 AM (view original):
I never thought of a formula, but I would think something like 2/3rds +/-, 1/6 FPCT and 1/6 CS%...  or something like that...  without looking too much into it.  There may be some additional data in the extended stats that would be a more effective in looking at it.  FPCT is not the answer though.

+/- in baseball is just as worthless as +/- is in hockey.

There is a bif E right behind R and H on the scoreboard. Errors are blatant plays that a player should have had but cost a runner to advance because they didn't. 1/6 - now thats retarded.

It's not like HBD has advanced statistics like UZR and BABIP.

Posted by moy23 on 7/27/2010 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/27/2010 10:57:00 AM (view original):
I never thought of a formula, but I would think something like 2/3rds +/-, 1/6 FPCT and 1/6 CS%...  or something like that...  without looking too much into it.  There may be some additional data in the extended stats that would be a more effective in looking at it.  FPCT is not the answer though.

+/- in baseball is just as worthless as +/- is in hockey.

There is a bif E right behind R and H on the scoreboard. Errors are blatant plays that a player should have had but cost a runner to advance because they didn't. 1/6 - now thats retarded.

Do you even know what +/- means in the sim?

Posted by moy23 on 7/27/2010 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/27/2010 10:57:00 AM (view original):
I never thought of a formula, but I would think something like 2/3rds +/-, 1/6 FPCT and 1/6 CS%...  or something like that...  without looking too much into it.  There may be some additional data in the extended stats that would be a more effective in looking at it.  FPCT is not the answer though.

+/- in baseball is just as worthless as +/- is in hockey.

There is a bif E right behind R and H on the scoreboard. Errors are blatant plays that a player should have had but cost a runner to advance because they didn't. 1/6 - now thats retarded.

Why is he on the scoreboard? Is McFly nearby?

+/- is a better indicator than you're giving it credit for, because it lets you know just how good or bad a defender actually is.

Posted by moy23 on 7/27/2010 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 7/27/2010 10:57:00 AM (view original):
I never thought of a formula, but I would think something like 2/3rds +/-, 1/6 FPCT and 1/6 CS%...  or something like that...  without looking too much into it.  There may be some additional data in the extended stats that would be a more effective in looking at it.  FPCT is not the answer though.

+/- in baseball is just as worthless as +/- is in hockey.

There is a bif E right behind R and H on the scoreboard. Errors are blatant plays that a player should have had but cost a runner to advance because they didn't. 1/6 - now thats retarded.

Heh.

Not sure why I even bother.  You clearly can't help how stupid you are.

Posted by jwelsh1023 on 7/27/2010 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Cheez, another good HBD league is Shoeless Joe.  It is not SHOFer heavy at all but a solid run league.  rootgargle is the commish and he keeps a good blog.  Plus, It yielded my only WS championship.

If you insist on leaving Minors, at least don't divert him from replacing you.

b0t and Cheez clearly know what they are talking about.

Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 11:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jwelsh1023 on 7/27/2010 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Cheez, another good HBD league is Shoeless Joe.  It is not SHOFer heavy at all but a solid run league.  rootgargle is the commish and he keeps a good blog.  Plus, It yielded my only WS championship.

If you insist on leaving Minors, at least don't divert him from replacing you.

Minors will roll way before Shoeless Joe - the only way I wouldn't join it in favor of waiting for another league is if all the teams are total crap, and I would take Dubbs' team if it was the only option.

I clearly like saying clearly today.

Posted by jwelsh1023 on 7/27/2010 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Moy has more posts than me.  I need to correct this.  I must have been busier than I had thought.

I noticed you had only like 7 posts the last 4 days combined.  Made it tough to throw somes your way.

Looking at both equally really gives you a good perspective.  If you have an above average F%, with a positive balance of +/- plays, you are an above average defensive player.  If their F% is above average, but their +/- ratio is negative, they probably have poor range, but do the routine aspects of their job well, flip that, andthey probably have good range, and are lacking in either glove, or arm ability.

Posted by robusk on 7/27/2010 11:05:00 AM (view original):
b0t and Cheez clearly know what they are talking about.

+ = A good play; one which an average defender wouldn't have made

- = A bad play; one which an average defender would have made

It's different from errors, because errors can be charged liberally. The +/- places direct notation on the number of positive or negative defensive plays someone makes.

A SS can get charged for an error when your 1B with no range can't make the stretch to get a throw. And the fact is that errors are much more random than + or - plays.

Posted by r0b0t on 7/27/2010 11:01:00 AM (view original):
It's not like HBD has advanced statistics like UZR and BABIP.

Well, you can figure BABIP from a player's stats, but HBD doesn't really work that way anyway.

Posted by robusk on 7/27/2010 11:06:00 AM (view original):
I clearly like saying clearly today.

Only when moy is thinking opaquely.

Posted by tisi29 on 7/27/2010 11:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 7/27/2010 11:01:00 AM (view original):
It's not like HBD has advanced statistics like UZR and BABIP.

Well, you can figure BABIP from a player's stats, but HBD doesn't really work that way anyway.

It's too much work.