Posted by andru2797 on 2/12/2011 5:49:00 PM (view original):
the hawks are built exactly like the wings. I remember in the mid 90s before they finally won a cup everyone called the wings, and yzerman, and fedorov too soft to win. then when those guys were gone, everyone said they'd never win with datsyuk and zetterberg. toughness isn't the only way to win hockey games, despite what brains and flyers fans might think. I've said from the start that I thought the hawks were unlikely to repeat and I stick to that, but to say that toews, kane, Sharp, hossa, Keith and Seabrook are not good enough to ever contend again is simply non-sensical. Detroit builds their team with good scouting and good player development. they draft and develop speed skill and discipline. the hawks philosophy is the same, but well only know in about a decade or so if they indeed scouted, drafted and developed as well as the wings have the last 20 years.

Come on man.......The reason the Hawks got high draft picks like Toews and Kane was because the team sucked so bad the season before the draft.  The Wings got Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the 6th round or later.....That is where good scouting and good player developement comes in.  The Wings have been picking in the latter half of the draft for years. 

Posted by juskay on 2/12/2011 6:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by andru2797 on 2/12/2011 5:49:00 PM (view original):
the hawks are built exactly like the wings. I remember in the mid 90s before they finally won a cup everyone called the wings, and yzerman, and fedorov too soft to win. then when those guys were gone, everyone said they'd never win with datsyuk and zetterberg. toughness isn't the only way to win hockey games, despite what brains and flyers fans might think. I've said from the start that I thought the hawks were unlikely to repeat and I stick to that, but to say that toews, kane, Sharp, hossa, Keith and Seabrook are not good enough to ever contend again is simply non-sensical. Detroit builds their team with good scouting and good player development. they draft and develop speed skill and discipline. the hawks philosophy is the same, but well only know in about a decade or so if they indeed scouted, drafted and developed as well as the wings have the last 20 years.

Come on man.......The reason the Hawks got high draft picks like Toews and Kane was because the team sucked so bad the season before the draft.  The Wings got Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the 6th round or later.....That is where good scouting and good player developement comes in.  The Wings have been picking in the latter half of the draft for years. 

Agreed. Again the hawks have missed the playoffs 9 of the last 12 seasons.... that's a lot of high draft picks. Detroit is arguably o.e of the best nhl franchises ever. The hawks are nothing like the wings.

Yzerman and federov are also way better players physically, talent-wise, and statistically than I think Toews or Kane will ever be..... but as I mentioned earlier... Sharp toews etc have toughness but the rest of the team does not. Detroit had grit, toughness, finesse... I mean thy were the real deal and they certainly proved it to the legion of doom back in '97.

 So what your saying is that the Hawks miss a guy like Buff? or Ladd?

I always said they miss the guys they lost. I just disagreed that they'd miss the playoffs without them. and its easy to say the wings are a great organization now, but does anyone remember pre-1997? they were leading the league in Stanley cup futility and people were questioning whether they had enough grit to win it all after losing to new jersey in 95. the wings weren't always great. in fact they sucked for a lot of years before drafting yzerman, which was the beginning of the wings we know today. how do you know the same can't be true for the hawks following the additions of Seabrook, toews and kane? also, if making the playoffs was a measure of success in the nhl, then the hawks of the 70s, 80s and 90s should be considered among the all time great because they went nearly 30 years without missing the post season. the reason I never bring that up like flyers fans do is because its how many championships you've won that count, not how many first rounds you've lost. just ask the Atlanta braves.

they won't be like the wings because chicago management always finds a way to screw things up.  doesn't matter - bears, cubs, hawks. look how bad the contracts were to get a stanley cup.... then they dismantle the team... and they still have to deal with the $7mil x 5 yr remaining contract for campbell and hossa's long term contract despite increasing injuries.

and i only bring up the flyers history to show you how ****** the blackhawks organization truly is.  ok - you don't like using playoff as a measure of success... lets use stanley cups... 1 in the past 49 years. btw - flyers are not all 1st round losses.... you did notice holer was kind enough to point out they'd been to 8 stanley cup finals since '67 - hawks only four since then.  

This article sums up Chicago style team management really well.... (http://www.foxsportsarizona.com/02/11/11/Blackhawks-had-it-all-except-staying-pow/landing_coyotes.html?blockID=408898&feedID=3545).  Pathetic.



Chicago is trying to avoid becoming just the fourth Stanley Cup champion in 41 seasons to miss the playoffs the following season.

"You've got to find a way to dig deep and find that motivation when things get tough," Toews said. "There's no excuse."

Hawks management had plenty of them this summer, spending the better part of the 2010 offseason in P.R. damage control. They insisted the purge was a matter of financial necessity — a salary-cap reality. But that was just the final reality. The truth is this mess could have been avoided.

Years of poor cap management and bad contracts put the Blackhawks in this position and ultimately cost former general manager Dale Tallon his job.

The Blackhawks signed defenseman Brian Campbell to a bloated eight-year, $56.8 million contract in July of 2008. Marginal goaltender Cristobal Huet got a four-year deal worth $5.635 million a season. With just 101 games and 46 points on his NHL resume, wing/defenseman Dustin Byfuglien went from an entry-level contract to a three-year, $9 million deal.

And in a well-publicized gaffe that was as much the fault of assistant GM Stan Bowman (now the GM) as it was Tallon's, the Hawks missed the deadline for delivering qualifying offers to seven restricted free agents in the summer of 2009, making them all unrestricted.

The Hawks eventually re-signed those players, but the contracts were bigger than those players would have earned with qualifying offers, including a three-year $9.25 million deal for Versteeg, a similar deal for defenseman Cam Barker and a two-year, $2.05 million deal for forward Troy Brouwer.

"Unless you're talking about a star player, you can't afford to bypass those second-level contracts when a guy is coming off his entry-level contract," said NBC and Versus analyst Ed Olczyk, who is also the team's analyst and played for the Blackhawks on two different occasions, 16 years apart. "You can't go from $350,000 or $650,000 a year to $3 million a year. You have to play hardball with players coming off those first contracts or you can't compete in today's NHL."

Instead of hardball, the Hawks played pinball with their players, dealing Barker to Minnesota during the season and parting ways with the 10 other players mere days after a victory parade down Michigan Avenue.

In the span of a few weeks, more than 40 percent of the Cup-winning roster was gone.

The staccato departures left Hawks fans stunned. Bowman assured everyone that the core pieces had been locked up and the good times would return. But here's the reality. The Hawks have eight players tied up for nearly $40 million next year. The salary cap limit is about $59 million.
 
Chicago still must re-sign free agent defenseman Brent Seabrook this summer, and top scorer Patrick Sharp will be a free agent the following summer.

Unless the Hawks can open some cap space (Campbell's contract is an obvious target), the Blackhawks' roster will feature a few haves and a lot of have-nots.  

That means a city starved for more titles may have to settle for just one meal.

anyone happen to see what niemi has been doing?  check out his last 5 games.  considering how bad he was earlier this year his overalls aren't too bad either.  

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8474550

Standings movement so far tonight in the west


2 points - NSH, LAK, MIN, PHX
1 point - CHI
0 points - COL, STL

VAN/CGY just started.  

Muddy's bet is not looking good.

 Hawks are like that fat kid trying to do a chin up..his face is red his arms are shaking..its only a matter of time before  he folds...where is Muddy again...? the mouth that roared has suddenly become silent..more pics of a cup that the Hawks will never see again?

Posted by moy23 on 2/12/2011 8:48:00 PM (view original):
they won't be like the wings because chicago management always finds a way to screw things up.  doesn't matter - bears, cubs, hawks. look how bad the contracts were to get a stanley cup.... then they dismantle the team... and they still have to deal with the $7mil x 5 yr remaining contract for campbell and hossa's long term contract despite increasing injuries.

and i only bring up the flyers history to show you how ****** the blackhawks organization truly is.  ok - you don't like using playoff as a measure of success... lets use stanley cups... 1 in the past 49 years. btw - flyers are not all 1st round losses.... you did notice holer was kind enough to point out they'd been to 8 stanley cup finals since '67 - hawks only four since then.  

ok that's your opinion and that's fine, but you have to admit there's no real logic to it. all you're basing it on is history. if history never changed, the patriots would still suck, the devil rays would never have made the mlb playoffs, the Canadians would still be winning Stanley cups and tiger woods would have 89 majors by now. the reality is that we won't know if Chicago made the right choices until 10 years down the road.

funny?...i just read a post from Andru comparing who  has made the playoffs more? the Hawks or the Canucks? now i see this post..are you a hypocrite Andru?  its ok in 1 thread then you change your tune in another?....LAME

Andru's Quote


I wonder...who has made the playoffs more times since the canucks joined the nhl...them or the hawk

 Take Muddy's lead and disappear Andru..Hawks will get obliterated on the off chance they even make the playoffs.. nobody respects fans that appear once they become legitimate contenders, but nobody heard a peep in the tough years...look at Oiler fan, im sure these boards will be overloaded with those cockroaches in 3-5 years, spewing all the same crap Muddy  has been...now his team sucks and all he can do is post pics of the fluke cup they won...how pathetic ..nobody heard of you either Andru..so  my advice is go back to wherever the fair weather fans,band wagon jumpers all gather...drink your maple nut crunch coffee, drive your smart cars...do whatever you fruit cakes do on a daily basis and leave hockey to the real fans

Posted by andru2797 on 2/13/2011 1:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 2/12/2011 8:48:00 PM (view original):
they won't be like the wings because chicago management always finds a way to screw things up.  doesn't matter - bears, cubs, hawks. look how bad the contracts were to get a stanley cup.... then they dismantle the team... and they still have to deal with the $7mil x 5 yr remaining contract for campbell and hossa's long term contract despite increasing injuries.

and i only bring up the flyers history to show you how ****** the blackhawks organization truly is.  ok - you don't like using playoff as a measure of success... lets use stanley cups... 1 in the past 49 years. btw - flyers are not all 1st round losses.... you did notice holer was kind enough to point out they'd been to 8 stanley cup finals since '67 - hawks only four since then.  

ok that's your opinion and that's fine, but you have to admit there's no real logic to it. all you're basing it on is history. if history never changed, the patriots would still suck, the devil rays would never have made the mlb playoffs, the Canadians would still be winning Stanley cups and tiger woods would have 89 majors by now. the reality is that we won't know if Chicago made the right choices until 10 years down the road.

Did you even read the article I posted? They are STILL dealing with poor contracts from front office incompetence.

They just lost versteeg, byfuglien, and ladd (all have 40 points right now) + 7 others including niemi (who now has 4 shutouts, .915 save%, 2.55 gpg). Technically its history yes... but it just happened 6 months ago. The team you knew that won a Stanley cup is gone. Seabrook and Sharp could both be gone as well if the team doesn't re-sign them... and with what $... they have 8 players tied up for $40 mil next season.