Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 2:26:00 PM (view original):Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 2:17:00 PM (view original):Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 2:12:00 PM (view original):Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 2:04:00 PM (view original):Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):I've never won fewer than 71 games with a team other than the MLB/erff rebuild. Just to clarify, outside of trying to fix a broken organization, I do think 60 wins seems like a reasonable floor. I just think rebuilds/fixerups taken over from someone else's mess can't fairly be held to the same standard as everyone else in a league, which is the basis for most/all of my earlier arguments against.Don't buy it.  Maybe HR was the best use of your JD after all.What's not to buy though. If any anti-tanking system is implemented, doesn't it just make sense to incorporate a little more leniency for those we're able to rope into taking over toasted franchises? What's the argument against, just that the standard would be lenient enough in your eyes that there's no need to make allowances for such people?Yes. Again, I direct you to my tanking expertise. Any owner who tanks worse than that is either taking it to an unnecessary extreme...or so bad that we probably don't want them in the league. We've already got enough trade rape wells.Link me to that tanking CV, I lost track of it. Really, I just think 60 wins is where a few teams in a 30 team league should be, distribution wise. Therefore, making that a hard floor seems unduly harsh to me, specifically with regard to those who aren't responsible for the state of their team heading into a season. Tisi, and possibly others, seem to agree that you can have a team in the high 50's without really tanking in an aggressive way. I don't think my position here is the least bit untenable. But, this is getting boring and repetitive, so I think I may just back the Nugent Position.
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 2:17:00 PM (view original):Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 2:12:00 PM (view original):Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 2:04:00 PM (view original):Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):I've never won fewer than 71 games with a team other than the MLB/erff rebuild. Just to clarify, outside of trying to fix a broken organization, I do think 60 wins seems like a reasonable floor. I just think rebuilds/fixerups taken over from someone else's mess can't fairly be held to the same standard as everyone else in a league, which is the basis for most/all of my earlier arguments against.Don't buy it.  Maybe HR was the best use of your JD after all.What's not to buy though. If any anti-tanking system is implemented, doesn't it just make sense to incorporate a little more leniency for those we're able to rope into taking over toasted franchises? What's the argument against, just that the standard would be lenient enough in your eyes that there's no need to make allowances for such people?Yes. Again, I direct you to my tanking expertise. Any owner who tanks worse than that is either taking it to an unnecessary extreme...or so bad that we probably don't want them in the league. We've already got enough trade rape wells.
Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 2:12:00 PM (view original):Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 2:04:00 PM (view original):Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):I've never won fewer than 71 games with a team other than the MLB/erff rebuild. Just to clarify, outside of trying to fix a broken organization, I do think 60 wins seems like a reasonable floor. I just think rebuilds/fixerups taken over from someone else's mess can't fairly be held to the same standard as everyone else in a league, which is the basis for most/all of my earlier arguments against.Don't buy it.  Maybe HR was the best use of your JD after all.What's not to buy though. If any anti-tanking system is implemented, doesn't it just make sense to incorporate a little more leniency for those we're able to rope into taking over toasted franchises? What's the argument against, just that the standard would be lenient enough in your eyes that there's no need to make allowances for such people?
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 2:04:00 PM (view original):Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):I've never won fewer than 71 games with a team other than the MLB/erff rebuild. Just to clarify, outside of trying to fix a broken organization, I do think 60 wins seems like a reasonable floor. I just think rebuilds/fixerups taken over from someone else's mess can't fairly be held to the same standard as everyone else in a league, which is the basis for most/all of my earlier arguments against.Don't buy it.  Maybe HR was the best use of your JD after all.
Posted by tylermathias on 7/27/2010 1:59:00 PM (view original):I've never won fewer than 71 games with a team other than the MLB/erff rebuild. Just to clarify, outside of trying to fix a broken organization, I do think 60 wins seems like a reasonable floor. I just think rebuilds/fixerups taken over from someone else's mess can't fairly be held to the same standard as everyone else in a league, which is the basis for most/all of my earlier arguments against.
Posted by jwelsh1023 on 7/27/2010 2:26:00 PM (view original):Posted by hugenuge42 on 7/27/2010 12:21:00 PM (view original):If we institute any sort of rules, I'm out of $. Not because I plan on tanking or support it, but because, as bot said....our ridicule should be enough.It didnt work on dherz.
Posted by hugenuge42 on 7/27/2010 12:21:00 PM (view original):If we institute any sort of rules, I'm out of $. Not because I plan on tanking or support it, but because, as bot said....our ridicule should be enough.
Posted by jwelsh1023 on 7/27/2010 2:26:00 PM (view original):Posted by dherz_263 on 7/27/2010 12:22:00 PM (view original):Posted by hugenuge42 on 7/27/2010 12:21:00 PM (view original):If we institute any sort of rules, I'm out of $. Not because I plan on tanking or support it, but because, as bot said....our ridicule should be enough.we've sucked at ridicule latelythis too
Posted by dherz_263 on 7/27/2010 12:22:00 PM (view original):Posted by hugenuge42 on 7/27/2010 12:21:00 PM (view original):If we institute any sort of rules, I'm out of $. Not because I plan on tanking or support it, but because, as bot said....our ridicule should be enough.we've sucked at ridicule lately
Posted by sergei91 on 7/27/2010 12:26:00 PM (view original):Posted by r0b0t on 7/27/2010 12:25:00 PM (view original):We just need to get better with the jokes. We can't have alcheez bringing down our median humor and acting like something is passable. We need to have standards of ourselves if we want to have standards of others. Be funnier and meaner with ridicule, and you can force someone to give a ****.FAIR IS FAIR!!!
Posted by r0b0t on 7/27/2010 12:25:00 PM (view original):We just need to get better with the jokes. We can't have alcheez bringing down our median humor and acting like something is passable. We need to have standards of ourselves if we want to have standards of others. Be funnier and meaner with ridicule, and you can force someone to give a ****.
Posted by r0b0t on 7/27/2010 2:24:00 PM (view original):So how's bret rourking you? I assume it's the whole NJ thing, but I want to see the conversation.
Posted by sergei91 on 7/27/2010 12:30:00 PM (view original):i still can't tell about 12 of you from each other.
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 12:31:00 PM (view original):I wish I still had that Coyote:Bret post kicking around.
Posted by sergei91 on 7/27/2010 12:34:00 PM (view original):i feel like jim carrey in liar liar every time i post in here
Posted by jwelsh1023 on 7/27/2010 2:28:00 PM (view original):Posted by sergei91 on 7/27/2010 12:26:00 PM (view original):Posted by r0b0t on 7/27/2010 12:25:00 PM (view original):We just need to get better with the jokes. We can't have alcheez bringing down our median humor and acting like something is passable. We need to have standards of ourselves if we want to have standards of others. Be funnier and meaner with ridicule, and you can force someone to give a ****.FAIR IS FAIR!!!WEÂ AREÂ YOUNG
Posted by bret2775 on 7/27/2010 2:33:00 PM (view original):bot- you've got mail
Posted by rlahann on 7/27/2010 2:29:00 PM (view original):Posted by r0b0t on 7/27/2010 2:24:00 PM (view original):So how's bret rourking you? I assume it's the whole NJ thing, but I want to see the conversation.True...I'll post it eventually.
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