Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 2/6/2019 3:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 3:37:00 PM (view original):
I am objective in this. Science tells us that it is a human being.

By 12 weeks, which is still in the first trimester, a fetus has a heartbeat, limbs, genitalia, all other vital organs and much more. This is a child. There is nothing inflammatory about calling it what it is. I didn't fall for anything. I respect science. This is what biology tells us.

Let me ask you a question. You have a guy who is in a coma and on a breathing machine. There is a strong likelihood that he will come out of that coma and be able to breathe on his own in, let's throw out a random time, 9 months. Does anyone have the right to kill this person? Why or why not?

12 weeks is very far from viable.....my understanding is that the fetus is still in formation....the brain is still unformed...it is taking shape but it is not a person yet.

The guy in a coma is far from viable as well. You never answered that part of my post.

The guy in the coma isn't living inside someone else.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:13:00 PM (view original):
KO, you agree that there are at least some situations where abortion should be allowed, right?

If I concede that the 1% of abortions that pose a legitimate threat on the mother's life are justified, will you concede that the 99% of the other abortions aren't?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:13:00 PM (view original):
KO, you agree that there are at least some situations where abortion should be allowed, right?

If I concede that the 1% of abortions that pose a legitimate threat on the mother's life are justified, will you concede that the 99% of the other abortions aren't?

No.

I'm trying to see where you draw your line. It's hard to take your claim that abortion is murder seriously if you think it's OK in some situations.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 2/6/2019 3:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 3:37:00 PM (view original):
I am objective in this. Science tells us that it is a human being.

By 12 weeks, which is still in the first trimester, a fetus has a heartbeat, limbs, genitalia, all other vital organs and much more. This is a child. There is nothing inflammatory about calling it what it is. I didn't fall for anything. I respect science. This is what biology tells us.

Let me ask you a question. You have a guy who is in a coma and on a breathing machine. There is a strong likelihood that he will come out of that coma and be able to breathe on his own in, let's throw out a random time, 9 months. Does anyone have the right to kill this person? Why or why not?

12 weeks is very far from viable.....my understanding is that the fetus is still in formation....the brain is still unformed...it is taking shape but it is not a person yet.

The guy in a coma is far from viable as well. You never answered that part of my post.

the guy in the coma is a person in a coma ..he is alive...his family has to decide.
a 12 week fetus is still a thing..not recognized by law as a person.

the true issue regarding abortion is whether the term of viability is to be moved back by a few weeks. based on current science.

Viability is a weak argument. The guy in a coma is not viable. You have already admitted he is a person. The fetus is every bit as "viable" as the guy in the coma.

It is interesting that we as men are debating this because there aren't any laws that tell men what they can and cannot do with their bodies. I am pro choice but I do see the pro life argument. I think once a baby is born though that is a person and cannot be aborted. Did I read correctly that NY and VA disagree with that mantra?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:36:00 PM (view original):
Viability is a weak argument. The guy in a coma is not viable. You have already admitted he is a person. The fetus is every bit as "viable" as the guy in the coma.

The guy in the coma is not inside someone else.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/6/2019 4:02:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 2/6/2019 2:22:00 PM (view original):
Bah, you're overgeneralizing. I'm a social moderate and a fiscal conservative.

And a Republican.

Maybe. I just have little faith in either party to do the right thing. I'm not saying that everyone in that party are bad people. Hell, I think Dino and B_L are good people and they are as far from me on the political spectrum as they come. I don't think supporting abortion makes them bad people. I think that view is bad, but I don't think they are bad people. Just like I think George Washington was a good man despite the fact that he owned slaves which was bad.

Are you serious KO? You think they are good people? Wow?!?!??!!

bad_luck who called all Trump voter idiots and dino who said he would commit fake suicide and banned people in his little webpage and has been banned from pariticipating in theme leagues on this site?

Your operational definition of "good" differs from mine.

and you said any Jew who is a democrat is a traitor, which is just a stupid a statement as BL's any Trump voter is an idiot. Y
And yet I still think you're a good person. People can say stupid things. That doesn't make them bad people. I've said plenty of stupid things. So have you. What makes someone a bad person is their actions, not what they say.

Agreed but I am not banned from participating in Prog. Theme Leagues in WIFS

Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:13:00 PM (view original):
KO, you agree that there are at least some situations where abortion should be allowed, right?

If I concede that the 1% of abortions that pose a legitimate threat on the mother's life are justified, will you concede that the 99% of the other abortions aren't?

No.

I'm trying to see where you draw your line. It's hard to take your claim that abortion is murder seriously if you think it's OK in some situations.

I think abortion is wrong in all cases. If a woman has uterine cancer and the baby dies during treatment, that is quite tragic but it is different than abortion.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:36:00 PM (view original):
Viability is a weak argument. The guy in a coma is not viable. You have already admitted he is a person. The fetus is every bit as "viable" as the guy in the coma.

The guy in the coma is not inside someone else.

If the baby/fetus can survive outside the womb should it still be allowed to be aborted because the mother doesn't want it?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 1:59:00 PM (view original):
As I thought, the dems are not the party of compassion. My beliefs have been confirmed. There have been 3 democrats to opine and none are willing to stand up and fight for the helpless innocent. They are only worried about winning votes. They don't care about people. Thank you. Have a nice day. Tomorrow's topic will be much lighter. I promise.

Lol, I literally said I was pro life with the exception of rape victims and life threatening situations... I don't see how you can make an argument against that in good faith.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:36:00 PM (view original):
Viability is a weak argument. The guy in a coma is not viable. You have already admitted he is a person. The fetus is every bit as "viable" as the guy in the coma.

The guy in the coma is not inside someone else.

This is irrelevant when you are talking about the BABY'S life. It did not ask to be put there. It should not be put to death because it is an inconvenience.

Posted by tangplay on 2/6/2019 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 1:59:00 PM (view original):
As I thought, the dems are not the party of compassion. My beliefs have been confirmed. There have been 3 democrats to opine and none are willing to stand up and fight for the helpless innocent. They are only worried about winning votes. They don't care about people. Thank you. Have a nice day. Tomorrow's topic will be much lighter. I promise.

Lol, I literally said I was pro life with the exception of rape victims and life threatening situations... I don't see how you can make an argument against that in good faith.

My apologies. I missed that post.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/6/2019 4:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:13:00 PM (view original):
KO, you agree that there are at least some situations where abortion should be allowed, right?

If I concede that the 1% of abortions that pose a legitimate threat on the mother's life are justified, will you concede that the 99% of the other abortions aren't?

No.

I'm trying to see where you draw your line. It's hard to take your claim that abortion is murder seriously if you think it's OK in some situations.

I think abortion is wrong in all cases. If a woman has uterine cancer and the baby dies during treatment, that is quite tragic but it is different than abortion.

So, just to be clear, if you had it your way, there is no situation where you would allow a legal abortion?