Posted by cccp1014 on 1/16/2018 8:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 9:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/15/2018 9:14:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 8:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/15/2018 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Name one against blacks.

Relining. School Funding.

School funding is based on county. Has nothing to do with race. GA is a good example. The county that I live in is about 80% white. Poor as dirt, home values suck, and school funding is minimal. Druid Hills is predominantly black. Strong home values, 1500 sf homes are 1/2 million dollars. Schools are funded well. School funding has nothing to do with institutional racism. It has to do wealth of a county. It just so happens that counties that are predominantly black tend to be poorer. I'm not drawing any correlation, just stating a fact.

A lot of school funding is based on attendance, at least it was in California. We got in a lot of trouble our senior year(class of 87) because we did an unofficial senior cut day 87 days from the end of school...just so happened to coincide with the annual attendance audit to determine funding for the next school year.

Yes, I'm sure that's the primary factor for state and federal funding, but race plays no role in this. And then local money comes from property taxes obviously. I am just not buying that blacks and Hispanics get less funding because people are racist. Black communities, for whatever reason, are typically poorer; therefore, homes are typically worth less.

The answer, my friend, is redlining.

Show me proof that REDLINING is by race. I have defeated tangy yet again. This is too easy.

Who is next?

The creator of redlining was a blatant racist who specifically said that the purpose of it and the suburbs was to keep black people out.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:07:00 AM (view original):
They both have the same opportunity to obtain those shoes (college). The disadvantage has nothing to do with opportunity. It has to do with culture. Both races can make the choice to be successful.

Now, without giving me some analogy, tell me what opportunity blacks lack.

You said yourself that parents move kids to better schools to give the kids a better opportunity. What about the kids that aren’t able to move to better schools?

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/16/2018 9:02:00 AM (view original):
Whatever it is it is but facts are and tangy agreed unless he is back pedaling:

1. Anti Semitism exists in the US
2. Jews are the most successful people as measured by wealth and education. So they have overcome the anti semitism it seems. Not just in the US but everywhere.

How is that possible when we have institutional racism in the US? Or is it only racism toward the races that the LEFT finds it convenient to play so that they can garner the votes? Not enough Jews so why care about them?

I am curious. Do tell.

You said yourself that racism is not institutional racism. There is institutional racism in the US that affects black and hispanic people. There is none to Jews.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 9:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/15/2018 9:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/15/2018 9:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/15/2018 8:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 8:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/15/2018 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Name one against blacks.

Relining. School Funding.

School funding is based on county. Has nothing to do with race. GA is a good example. The county that I live in is about 80% white. Poor as dirt, home values suck, and school funding is minimal. Druid Hills is predominantly black. Strong home values, 1500 sf homes are 1/2 million dollars. Schools are funded well. School funding has nothing to do with institutional racism. It has to do wealth of a county. It just so happens that counties that are predominantly black tend to be poorer. I'm not drawing any correlation, just stating a fact.

A lot of school funding is based on attendance, at least it was in California. We got in a lot of trouble our senior year(class of 87) because we did an unofficial senior cut day 87 days from the end of school...just so happened to coincide with the annual attendance audit to determine funding for the next school year.

Yes, I'm sure that's the primary factor for state and federal funding, but race plays no role in this. And then local money comes from property taxes obviously. I am just not buying that blacks and Hispanics get less funding because people are racist. Black communities, for whatever reason, are typically poorer; therefore, homes are typically worth less.

The answer, my friend, is redlining.

Wait, you admit that you didn't know that funding was based on attendance and enrollment and then you still have the nerve to blame redlining?

It's mostly based on property taxes. That is common knowledge.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 11:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:07:00 AM (view original):
They both have the same opportunity to obtain those shoes (college). The disadvantage has nothing to do with opportunity. It has to do with culture. Both races can make the choice to be successful.

Now, without giving me some analogy, tell me what opportunity blacks lack.

You said yourself that parents move kids to better schools to give the kids a better opportunity. What about the kids that aren’t able to move to better schools?

Those kids still receive a free education. I have worked in an urban school. The opportunity is still there for success. It's a matter of choice. Do you want to learn or not?

To answer your question, strikeout, redlining has also put black people in a nigh impossible spot to get out of. The opportunity they don't have is their kids feel pressure to support their families and their schools are underfunded and underresources. Schools like this have higher student/teacher ratios, drastically lower achievement, and it can be almost impossible to get to college, ealescially when one must support a family. That is a severe lack of opportunity.

If school funding is not EQUAL for every single studenf, it is a sin in my book, regardless of racd. Everyone deserves an EQUAL chance to have a good education. Read the For Each and Every Child report.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 11:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:07:00 AM (view original):
They both have the same opportunity to obtain those shoes (college). The disadvantage has nothing to do with opportunity. It has to do with culture. Both races can make the choice to be successful.

Now, without giving me some analogy, tell me what opportunity blacks lack.

You said yourself that parents move kids to better schools to give the kids a better opportunity. What about the kids that aren’t able to move to better schools?

Those kids still receive a free education. I have worked in an urban school. The opportunity is still there for success. It's a matter of choice. Do you want to learn or not?

If a student has to drop out to support their family, do they have the same 'opportunity'?

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

It depends on whether it overcompensates or punishes for no reason.

Tang, you really need to learn what opportunity is. That student who dropped out to support his family made a choice. He had the opportunity to get a diploma and go to college. He made a choice not to. Please learn that everything that happens in life is a product of a choice. It will really make you a more effective person.

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

That isn't actually true. I went to a UC school.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 11:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:07:00 AM (view original):
They both have the same opportunity to obtain those shoes (college). The disadvantage has nothing to do with opportunity. It has to do with culture. Both races can make the choice to be successful.

Now, without giving me some analogy, tell me what opportunity blacks lack.

You said yourself that parents move kids to better schools to give the kids a better opportunity. What about the kids that aren’t able to move to better schools?

Those kids still receive a free education. I have worked in an urban school. The opportunity is still there for success. It's a matter of choice. Do you want to learn or not?

You're conflating an opportunity existing (no matter how small) with "everyone has an equal opportunity."

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Tang, you really need to learn what opportunity is. That student who dropped out to support his family made a choice. He had the opportunity to get a diploma and go to college. He made a choice not to. Please learn that everything that happens in life is a product of a choice. It will really make you a more effective person.

Fine. I concede. Most everyone has opportunity. You agree that equal opportunity does not exist?

Posted by tangplay on 1/16/2018 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

It depends on whether it overcompensates or punishes for no reason.

No, it doesn't.

It's institutional racism. The decision is being made with RACE as one of the qualifying factors. True EQUAL OPPORTUNITY would mean the schools look at the high school transcripts and SAT scores (and some lame essay, if they choose) to make their decision. If that were done, the vast majority of students at prestigious universities would be Asian. Not Jewish, not black, not hispanic. My kids put WHITE on their college applications (my wife is white) in order to have a better shot at getting into CA colleges.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 11:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

That isn't actually true. I went to a UC school.

Are you a minority? Are you Asian? Are you black? All those are questions that are asked as part of the application. That's racism.

That should have NOTHING to do with your qualifications as an entering freshman.