Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/19/2009You didn't read what I wrote.

Not surprising

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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 7/09/2009

I'll concede that, swamp, as I can't be bothered to look either up.

I'm going to counter with: User Error.

Does Hot Stove have a proper distribution of fielding ratings?

The SIM is designed to mirror MLB, but with the caveat that owners respect the recommended fielding ratings for all positions.

You play Derek Jeter's bat, you get Derek Jeter's glove. Most HBD owners are fine with that (and I'm not saying that's a poor decision - just that it's a user decision, with consequences), but you have to accept that you're going to get substandard fielding stats from your SS.

My other point is that a SS with below standard ratings plays worse than a MLB SS should. I played Yorvit Moreno (70-88-79-74) at SS about 75 games last year, he made 20 errors! I realize Moreno is below standards but that would come out to about 44 errors. That is way above anyone in baseball.

Either raise the standards or modify the engine.




I'm guessing Mark Texiera would make about 44 errors at SS.

Of course, no MLB manager would play him at SS.

A lot of HBD managers would if they had Albert Pujols on first.

No they would not. they would play him in LF, RF, 3b or anywhere else.

HBD managers are not playing horrible guys at SS, they are playing below standard guys, and getting horrible results.




Then I suggest you play your 70-88-79-74 at one of those positiions. Because he damn sure has no business at SS. I know this, your results prove it.

So you are saying that this players defensive numbers justify him getting 45 errors if he played a whole season?

If that is so then there are far few SSs that have the correct ratings in the game. As I have said before there are not even enough SSs if you count them all, if you take into account back ups and a few really bad offensive guys you are way short. There should be about twice as many SSs up to the league standards.

I believe the game is too hard on SSs with lower ratings. A simple tweak to have ratings impact negative fielding a little and everything goes to normal!



Yes, he should have gotten 45 errors over the course of a full season. He's way underqualified to play SS.

If you want qualified SS, you have to draft, sign and develop them. Some of them can't hit their weight. That's the trade-off you make. There is no game if EVERYONE has the same players. All of whom exceed the recommended ratings.

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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/11/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/11/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 7/09/2009

I'll concede that, swamp, as I can't be bothered to look either up.

I'm going to counter with: User Error.

Does Hot Stove have a proper distribution of fielding ratings?

The SIM is designed to mirror MLB, but with the caveat that owners respect the recommended fielding ratings for all positions.

You play Derek Jeter's bat, you get Derek Jeter's glove. Most HBD owners are fine with that (and I'm not saying that's a poor decision - just that it's a user decision, with consequences), but you have to accept that you're going to get substandard fielding stats from your SS.

My other point is that a SS with below standard ratings plays worse than a MLB SS should. I played Yorvit Moreno (70-88-79-74) at SS about 75 games last year, he made 20 errors! I realize Moreno is below standards but that would come out to about 44 errors. That is way above anyone in baseball.

Either raise the standards or modify the engine.




I'm guessing Mark Texiera would make about 44 errors at SS.

Of course, no MLB manager would play him at SS.

A lot of HBD managers would if they had Albert Pujols on first.

No they would not. they would play him in LF, RF, 3b or anywhere else.

HBD managers are not playing horrible guys at SS, they are playing below standard guys, and getting horrible results.




Then I suggest you play your 70-88-79-74 at one of those positiions. Because he damn sure has no business at SS. I know this, your results prove it.

So you are saying that this players defensive numbers justify him getting 45 errors if he played a whole season?

If that is so then there are far few SSs that have the correct ratings in the game. As I have said before there are not even enough SSs if you count them all, if you take into account back ups and a few really bad offensive guys you are way short. There should be about twice as many SSs up to the league standards.

I believe the game is too hard on SSs with lower ratings. A simple tweak to have ratings impact negative fielding a little and everything goes to normal!




Yes, he should have gotten 45 errors over the course of a full season. He's way underqualified to play SS.

If you want qualified SS, you have to draft, sign and develop them. Some of them can't hit their weight. That's the trade-off you make. There is no game if EVERYONE has the same players. All of whom exceed the recommended ratings.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/19/2009OK, maybe you read it and were too stupid to understand it. That's certainly a possibility

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/19/2009

So then in order to not have 40 errors, something no SS in basball has done for years, you need to play a SS with the proper ratings.

But there is not enough for everyone to play them. Not talking about hits like Ozzie but can field...not enough period.

So according to you realistic SS stats are impossible to acheive in HBD?



Are you implying that every underqualified SS has ratings of 70-88-79-74? Because I don't think that's true.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/19/2009

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 7/19/2009So then in order to not have 40 errors, something no SS in basball has done for years, you need to play a SS with the proper ratings.


Wrong.

There is a wide range of results between the 'proper ratings' and the complete loser you trotted out, who would barely be a decent fielder at third base.

But there is not enough for everyone to play them. Not talking about hits like Ozzie but can field...not enough period.

Wrong.

In real life, most ML clubs prioritize defense over offense. This makes players like Adam Everett millionaires. In HBD, most owners in most worlds seem to prioritize offense over defense instead, but they still have to make the choice. Just like in real life, few clubs have true stud shortstops -- most are forced to choose between good glove, meh bat and meh glove, good bat.

There are more than enough of the latter types to go around.

So according to you realistic SS stats are impossible to acheive in HBD?

Wrong.

It's quite possible to achieve realistic SS stats in HBD, if owners made the same decisions ML clubs make. Since they don't, the fielding stats in most worlds don't line up with MLB. That's not a bug, that's a feature, you fukking imbecile.

Thank you for demonstrating that you are too stupid to understand why you are wrong on this, though.
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Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 7/19/2009You do not know that is why we have to few defensive SSs.