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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 9/18/2009Wow, you had an 85 hitting IQ guy looking for a AAA gig go unhired? I know the patience is low (18), but he's a respectable ML hitting coach in my World


The lowest ML HC in MG is 81. The guy got caught in a numbers game. But, had someone offered him a FI job, I bet he'd have taken it.
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Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 9/18/2009

Quote: Originally posted by zbrent716 on 9/18/2009

Plague, where did you get the idea that a coach will pick a hitting coach job over a fielding coach job, regardless of money offered?

It may be true, but I hadn't heard any such thing before and you seem to be relying heavily on it being accurate.

Experience. If a person wants a coach as his major league bench, pitching, or hitting coach and you want him for fielding you are going to lose to the more prestigious job. Its the same if you want a coach for high A and someone offers that player a AA you are going to lose.
And I ask again, regardless of money? You've actually experienced offering a ML fielding coach $5.0M (as an example) and having him accept a ML hitting coach job for the league minimum?
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 9/18/2009
Wow, you had an 85 hitting IQ guy looking for a AAA gig go unhired? I know the patience is low (18), but he's a respectable ML hitting coach in my World.



The lowest ML HC in MG is 81. The guy got caught in a numbers game. But, had someone offered him a FI job, I bet he'd have taken it.
With the other option being unemployment, I bet you're right.
9/18/2009 10:41 PM
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Of course, the lowest FI is 55 so why would anyone have offered him a FI job?
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9/18/2009 10:43 PM
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It went over my head that they were unhired. I know you said unhired but I assumed you mispoke because next to the players name it shows them as having other jobs.
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9/18/2009 10:46 PM
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Coaches will definitely take BC over FI. Of course, this is irrelevant to the "OMG, we won't have enough FI in 5 seasons!!" argument. I've given you 8 unhired coaches under 50 years of age who would be 50+ as FI inside of 2 seasons. EIGHT. That's 25% of all FI required.
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Even if that Dusty Hayes got hired as a fielding instructor odds are he would eventually get hired as a Hitting instructor, unless he kept choosing to resign with the same team. The other guys might have a realistic shot at staying hired as fielding instructors. Even looking at Moonlight Graham the hitting instructors ratings compared to age is much better than the fielding instructors.
9/18/2009 10:48 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009
The unhired ones.



Damn, dude, I don't think I could have been any clearer. It's three words.
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Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 9/18/2009Even if that Dusty Hayes got hired as a fielding instructor odds are he would eventually get hired as a Hitting instructor, unless he kept choosing to resign with the same team. The other guys might have a realistic shot at staying hired as fielding instructors. Even looking at Moonlight Graham the hitting instructors ratings compared to age is much better than the fielding instructors.


So would you like me to adjust my numbers to 7?

They would definitely have a shot at being hired as FI if other FI started to retire. Do you disagree?
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 9/18/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 9/18/2009Even if that Dusty Hayes got hired as a fielding instructor odds are he would eventually get hired as a Hitting instructor, unless he kept choosing to resign with the same team. The other guys might have a realistic shot at staying hired as fielding instructors. Even looking at Moonlight Graham the hitting instructors ratings compared to age is much better than the fielding instructors. So would you like me to adjust my numbers to 7?They would definitely have a shot at being hired as FI if other FI started to retire.   Do you disagree?


I agree, those guys are in the high 40's. They would obviously get hired over guys in the low 40's. I can't dispute that.
9/18/2009 10:51 PM
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So are you willing to say that it appears, at first glance, that MG will not have a problem with FI in 5 seasons?

Keep in mind that more 45+(the number I cut it off at) will be available as the seasons progress.
9/18/2009 10:54 PM
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All those guys would almost surely not resign after 1 season as fielding instructor to go into the hitters pool. Every season it would be a wait and see. Its like when you hire a third base coach as your first base coach, he desires to go back into the pool the next season. Its possible and in some of those players likely they would not get hired again the next season as a hitting coach and end up on someones team as fielding instructor again, except Dusty.
9/18/2009 10:56 PM
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