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I'm actually not complaining about a shortage, I'm explaining why your "solution" is anything but.
9/30/2009 3:17 PM
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As it stands now, the draft (after round 6 if that is your desired cutoff) serves as our feeding ground for the minor league fodder needed to field complete teams.

Under this design, each team has an equal chance to fill out their rosters with ~19 minor league roster fillers. SS, CF, 2B, C that never have a shot at big league time. If you cut the draft to 10 or 12 or 15 or, whatever, # of rounds, that once again puts the ability for certain teams to more easily load up on such players for their minors while other teams will suffer to fill the spots, even if they want to maintain their minors, simply due to the time(s) they log on.

I don't have a problem with adding more minor league fodder to leagues via TC position players, but I again say that cutting the draft to do so isn't the answer.
9/30/2009 3:24 PM
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Should I now check to see how many unsigned C/SS/2B/CF CAPB has had over the last 5 seasons? Because, if there's even 1, your argument will not hold water.

Under my "plan", that 1 would have been a minor league FA if he was drafted after the 10th round. And that 1 would help you with your shortage.
9/30/2009 3:26 PM
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Remember that these 2 worlds are likely some of the only HBD worlds that have 32 franchises with what I consider complete minor league rosters. Of course there are unsigned players, certainly not 100% of all slot money guys are signed, even though I encourage it each season. There are also several non-deserving clowns that ask for $1m+ for some odd reason that are never signed.

But do you at least see how the balance of the roster filling would be much more unbalanced if the draft were cut and it was simply a minor league FA feeding frenzy?

I still believe that no matter the outcome on the possibility of TC PP, the draft should not be cut. It isn't hampering anyone as it stands now, and it very easily could hamper more than it helps if rounds are cut.
9/30/2009 3:33 PM
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Congrats. In S8 of CAPB, you have 5-C, 2-2B, 1-CF who was drafted in round 21-25 and has not been signed. Those 8 players would be minor league FA under my idea.

Still think it's a bad idea?
9/30/2009 3:33 PM
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8 players out of 160, really?

Clarify again what your idea is your current idea, here on page 5...cut the draft to 10 rounds, or just make all unsigned draft picks FA? Or both...or...?

9/30/2009 3:38 PM
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Completed the cycle. In round 11-25, you have the following drafted, yet unsigned, players at your problem positions:
C-13
2B-8
CF-7
SS-7

Do you not think this 35 players would not help you fill your roster at your problem positions? These are DRAFTED BUT UNSIGNED players. Players who will disappear into the sunset and never be heard from again.



9/30/2009 3:38 PM
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Cut the draft at 10 rounds. Undrafted players would be added to the minor league FA board.
9/30/2009 3:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/25/2009
Mostly because people won't bother to sign them.

Of course, it's apparent that the subtle point of my post was missed. If we're going to be given yet more options to be lazy in signing picks, there's really no reason to make those picks. Cut the draft to 10 rounds and make the undrafted players minor league FA.



5th or 6th post in this thread.
9/30/2009 3:41 PM
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So just add 500+ players to the FA pool by cutting 500 players from the draft?

Again, do you see how the roster filling would be much more unbalanced if the draft were cut and it was simply a minor league FA feeding frenzy?

Instead of 1 or 2 teams not having a HiA SS as it is now, you could have 1 minor league franchise grab 15-20 of the 50 available FA minor league SS. That is the way it worked back in the first several seasons of most worlds when minor league FA were aplenty.

Unsigned College Seniors should be FA after the draft if they are undrafted OR unsigned, but I think if they toy with the length of the draft, they are just asking for more minor league indifference from most owners.
9/30/2009 3:44 PM
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I do find it quite funny that people are worried that they won't get that 17th rounder to fill out their LoA roster. At least I know 'tardcomm's concern. No idea why RB is objecting.
9/30/2009 3:46 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 9/29/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009
Who cares who signs these guys? They aren't MLB-quality. Many will go unsigned by those who don't believe in restocking their minors. Just cut them loose on the world and let the chips fall where they may.
Yeah, but those of us who MANAGE our minor leagues use the draft to stock the minors with decent enough talent to help gauge the abilities of the true prospects. You won't know how good your pitchers are unless you have adequate fielding behind them.
This is my stance exactly. And to further that, you won't have an idea how good your hitters are performing if they are playing in a league with 6 or 7 AA teams that have 6 position players and 8 pitchers. Full minor league rosters are helpful to a league's overall health.
9/30/2009 3:49 PM
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I like the idea that unsigned draftees become minor league FA. But why is it necessary to cut the length of the draft? Is it just because players from the later rounds are typically useless?
9/30/2009 3:50 PM
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I'd cut the draft to 10 rounds and make the undrafted players FA. They're pretty useless, EXCEPT FOR MINOR LEAGUE FODDER, and many, EVEN IN WORLDS THAT DEMAND MINOR LEAGUE ROSTERS BE COMPLETE LIKE CAPB, go unsigned. Make them FA, make them available after the draft and less teams will have trouble filling their rosters.
9/30/2009 3:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By randallball on 9/30/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 9/29/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009
Who cares who signs these guys? They aren't MLB-quality. Many will go unsigned by those who don't believe in restocking their minors. Just cut them loose on the world and let the chips fall where they may.
Yeah, but those of us who MANAGE our minor leagues use the draft to stock the minors with decent enough talent to help gauge the abilities of the true prospects. You won't know how good your pitchers are unless you have adequate fielding behind them.
This is my stance exactly. And to further that, you won't have an idea how good your hitters are performing if they are playing in a league with 6 or 7 AA teams that have 6 position players and 8 pitchers. Full minor league rosters are helpful to a league's overall health.


I assume neither of you understand that there would be MORE options available to you if the draft were shortened and the undrafted players were available immediately as minor league FA.
9/30/2009 3:56 PM
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