Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 12/28/2009of course in real life it does, the game was originally programmed this way too, at some point top coaches were winning by 50 pts by wearing sim team out, and a programming change was made to make defense not tire players out - geez

Wait so they took it out all together or they just toned it down? I have been away for a while and most things stay the same but certain little things change.

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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
I just found out via this thread what zhawks shtick is. I'm not looking to ruin any threads...I didn't ruin the other one...I'm just out and out saying, zhawks is the worst debater/defender of position I've ever seen, he loves the word FLAWED, and shockingly, he bobs and weaves in this thread as well. There's nothing more to say...people can see zhawks for what he really is, but I think its ironic that a completely different user is contesting zhawks virtually the same way I did and getting the same results.

And your favorite word is "Boob" what of it?

Please lets not ruin this thread too.

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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
I just found out via this thread what zhawks shtick is. I'm not looking to ruin any threads...I didn't ruin the other one...I'm just out and out saying, zhawks is the worst debater/defender of position I've ever seen, he loves the word FLAWED, and shockingly, he bobs and weaves in this thread as well. There's nothing more to say...people can see zhawks for what he really is, but I think its ironic that a completely different user is contesting zhawks virtually the same way I did and getting the same results.

And your favorite word is "Boob" what of it?

Please lets not ruin this thread too

I apologize, you are, of course, right.

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 12/28/2009 of course in real life it does, the game was originally programmed this way too, at some point top coaches were winning by 50 pts by wearing sim team out, and a programming change was made to make defense not tire players out - geez

Wait so they took it out all together or they just toned it down? I have been away for a while and most things stay the same but certain little things change

I have an opinion - no fact - I think players do not wear out playing defense vs tempo, they do wear out, but they wear out due to playing their own offense - only tarek (and maybe seble or the paid programmers if they have gotten that far in replicating code) would know when / if / how much the change was, my stance is strictly observation and opinion - but I also play eleven teams who average in the mid 80's team total for stamina, and I have tried uptempo, as recently as last week for a 5 game stretch - IMO it has no affect on the other team, but does wear your own team down nicely

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
I just found out via this thread what zhawks shtick is. I'm not looking to ruin any threads...I didn't ruin the other one...I'm just out and out saying, zhawks is the worst debater/defender of position I've ever seen, he loves the word FLAWED, and shockingly, he bobs and weaves in this thread as well. There's nothing more to say...people can see zhawks for what he really is, but I think its ironic that a completely different user is contesting zhawks virtually the same way I did and getting the same results.

And your favorite word is "Boob" what of it?

Please lets not ruin this thread too.

I apologize, you are, of course, right.

Maybe if we ignore him he'll go away from the rest of our threads?

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally posted by oldresorter on 12/28/2009
of course in real life it does, the game was originally programmed this way too, at some point top coaches were winning by 50 pts by wearing sim team out, and a programming change was made to make defense not tire players out - geez

Wait so they took it out all together or they just toned it down? I have been away for a while and most things stay the same but certain little things change.

I have an opinion - no fact - I think players do not wear out playing defense vs tempo, they do wear out, but they wear out due to playing their own offense - only tarek (and maybe seble or the paid programmers if they have gotten that far in replicating code) would know when / if / how much the change was, my stance is strictly observation and opinion - but I also play eleven teams who average in the mid 80's team total for stamina, and I have tried uptempo, as recently as last week for a 5 game stretch - IMO it has no affect on the other team, but does wear your own team down nicel

OR I do believe it still does tire them out but it is very minimal compared to the past.

yes, but the'tiredness' to your own uptempo team is not so minimal Z & all teams wear out, how do you (we) know if this is due to normal offense wearing out or due to defending the up tempo???

I might run a few controlled experiments, I have several very good candidates, that running uptempo should (*used to) kill my opponents.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 12/28/2009
yes, but the'tiredness' to your own uptempo team is not so minimal Z & all teams wear out, how do you (we) know if this is due to normal offense wearing out or due to defending the up tempo???

I might run a few controlled experiments, I have several very good candidates, that running uptempo should (*used to) kill my opponents.

OR, this sounds like a good thing to look into during beta testing (maybe?).

I think it is hard to notice at times but I see my teams play even in the first half lots of times and then break out with 10-12 minutes and win by 15-20 when the other team starts to tire, might be coincidence, I'll keep better track of it and see what I find.

OR - while I will agree that uptempo does not wear out your opponent I question the impact of my own teams wearing out.

If your definition of wearing out = playing must sub in and out often to stay fresh, then I would agree.

If your definition of wearing out = players frequesntly play while tired and very tired, then I would disagree.

When my sub patterns are set at fairly fresh, my players very rarely stay in while tired. As I stated earlier, IMO the uptempo just causes more dead ball substitutions. But these are just my opinions.

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Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 12/28/2009
uptempo is a joke in this game right now, even if teams win with it , they would win by more if they did not run it.

I can't really agree with this.

Quote: Originally Posted By lostmyth2 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 12/28/2009

uptempo is a joke in this game right now, even if teams win with it , they would win by more if they did not run it.

I can't really agree with this

I was actually thinking of all your teams when I said the part, even if they are winning, as many of your teams run uptempo, often though do you not run normal when you are in a fair fight????? I should know, as we have played a bunch lately and you have won them all maybe, but I usually don't even look at the settings

If I am right, which I might not be, I can only imagine how much you would win by, assuming you are giving 5 points a game back to all of us when you go uptempo???

also lost, if ANY team could go uptempo and get away with it like the old days, it would be yours, as sometimes you play with 8 or 9 players in the 90's ath and / or sp and / or stam - most of us can only dream of recruiting those guys - i sure don't know how as I usually have to pay 50k to get one such guy, I have no idea how you do it

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By lostmyth2 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 12/28/2009

uptempo is a joke in this game right now, even if teams win with it , they would win by more if they did not run it.

I can't really agree with this.

I was actually thinking of all your teams when I said the part, even if they are winning, as many of your teams run uptempo, often though do you not run normal when you are in a fair fight????? I should know, as we have played a bunch lately and you have won them all maybe, but I usually don't even look at the settings

If I am right, which I might not be, I can only imagine how much you would win by, assuming you are giving 5 points a game back to all of us when you go uptempo???

I can't even remember the last time I ran a normal tempo as the base setting. Maybe 100 HD seasons ago? I only run slowdown or uptempo.

I highly doubt that I'm giving up 5 points a game by playing uptempo. But let's assume that I was, it could still be possible that uptempo is the best tempo, since all that matters (especially in the postseason) is that you score more points than your opponent, not the margin of victory. Uptempo undoubtedly reduces the variability of a game, so the % of victory could be higher there even while giving up, on average, more points.

I agree with lost, that has always been my view.

Also, I run Uptempo with a FCP because that increases possessions which increases steals/forced turnovers which should increase my fast-break points.