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No, I was just adding vital information that I obtained from an ACTUAL computer programmer that suggests that WIS' implemenation of pseudo-randomness could still be crap every once in a while. Just because pseudo-randomness can be good, doesn't mean that its always good.
1/17/2010 10:38 PM
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It doesn't mean that its bad either, which is what you are saying is an almost certainty.

1/17/2010 10:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 1/17/2010It doesn't mean that its bad either, which is what you are saying is an almost certainty.

Every once in a while, when the sim perceivably takes a dump, the results say it is bad/not working correctly
1/17/2010 10:44 PM
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Yet you were arguing that if it had been produced by true randomness, it WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. . . .

ONly, the website itself disagreed with you.

1/17/2010 10:46 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 1/17/2010Yet you were arguing that if it had been produced by true randomness, it WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. . . . It would be, I wouldn't gripe at all

ONly, the website itself disagreed with you. care to explain?

1/17/2010 10:48 PM
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billyg and Z,

colonels is actually arguing the point I've made several times in the past. Specifically, since HD does NOT include any of the following (momentum of any kind, player biorhythms, team chemistry, clutch ability, etc.), such scoring swings would NOT be as significant in HD as in RL. In essence, HD has ONLY the ratings, settings, and RNG. Real life has (in essence) all those PLUS the other (intangible) factors above. So (as I've done several times in the past), I ask "HOW DOES WIS PRODUCE SUCH SCORING/OUTCOME VARIANCE WITHOUT AN 'EXTRA' RANDOM FACTOR?" With homecourt advantage, this could explain it (IF it VARIES on a somewhat random basis). However, this was a tourney game, so I can't think of what HD included to allow such a swing.
1/17/2010 10:49 PM
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well said jskenner and thank you.
1/17/2010 10:52 PM
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HOwever, if it simulates somethign that really happens, then it really, at least to my mind, isn't a problem. .
1/17/2010 10:53 PM
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COmplex systems involving any randomness, and a whole bunch of numbers interacting with eachother in complex ways will produce oddities and streaks, almost invariably.\
1/17/2010 10:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 1/17/2010HOwever, if it simulates somethign that really happens, then it really, at least to my mind, isn't a problem. .
But if anything is possible in real life on the basketball court, then how can you ever have a problem in HD if everything is under the "real life" umbrella?
1/17/2010 10:54 PM
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If it happened eight games in a row? If there was a 100 - 0 game? There are plenty of things that could be problems> Odd random games popping up isn't one of them.
1/17/2010 10:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 1/17/2010COmplex systems involving any randomness, and a whole bunch of numbers interacting with eachother in complex ways will produce oddities and streaks, almost invariably.\
What is this from?

Here's what I liked about what Bo Allen had to say "TRNGs use an unpredictable physical means to generate numbers (like atmospheric noise)"
1/17/2010 10:57 PM
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Colonels did you actually read the boxscore? If you did you would notice that I (Hardin-Simmons) switched from normal to uptempo in the second half. So It wasn't like all the game settings remained the same and my team just randomly started to perform better. The uptempo setting in the second half favored my team because of my advantage in athleticism-since colonels likes OTR I will point out that my team's athleticism was 12 overall points higher than chewchad's-this lead to my team being able to force turnovers, score more in transition, and get more chances on the offensive boards. You will also notice that it was a 6 point game when Wilson was injured. Chewchad's team made a strong run while Wilson was playing hurt in the first half, and since Wilson played limited minutes in the second half chewchad's team was not able to exploit Wilson's injury and create easy opportunities that they created in the second half. So if you are not as ignorant as I think you are, you will be able to see that it is not complete randomness. There are coaching factors that actually impact the game.
1/17/2010 10:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jfinn19 on 1/17/2010Colonels did you actually read the boxscore? If you did you would notice that I (Hardin-Simmons) switched from normal to uptempo in the second half. So It wasn't like all the game settings remained the same and my team just randomly started to perform better. The uptempo setting in the second half favored my team because of my advantage in athleticism-since colonels likes OTR I will point out that my team's athleticism was 12 overall points higher than chewchad's-this lead to my team being able to force turnovers, score more in transition, and get more chances on the offensive boards. You will also notice that it was a 6 point game when Wilson was injured. Chewchad's team made a strong run while Wilson was playing hurt in the first half, and since Wilson played limited minutes in the second half chewchad's team was not able to exploit Wilson's injury and create easy opportunities that they created in the second half. So if you are not as ignorant as I think you are, you will be able to see that it is not complete randomness. There are coaching factors that actually impact the game
I was looking for this Wilson injury and couldn't find it...when did this happen...how much time was ?
1/17/2010 11:00 PM
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