Pitching Affects Defense Topic

This is actually a reason I sent in a ticket when the update came out to see if we couldn't get a fielding tab added to the game log so we could see which games payers made their errors, plus and minus plays, so we could easier determine if it was due to fatigue or to facing deadball pitchers/hitters.

They said they would try to get it added, but that it would be alot of work, especially if a player played more than one position during the season or especially in one game.
3/21/2010 1:34 PM
Well, the numbers are low, but this is an interesting possibility. I had assumed fatigue impacted error rate about the same as it impacts BA and OBP -- which is to say, not much until you drop to around 90-91% fatigue.

I've thought of requesting home versus away fielding information. Right now, it's all lumped together into a total for your team stats. I wonder if that would shed some light too.
3/21/2010 2:12 PM
excellent stuff Just4me....thanks for shedding light on this. Sure helps to explain the "Smith inconsistency"
3/21/2010 8:34 PM
What happens if all the teams in a division finish below .500? It is more than a theoretical question when it comes to the AL West.
3/21/2010 8:34 PM
good question, dog, Len didn't spell it out in the original postng of rules. This might be one of those questions put to a vote cause...

If we use best record it is possible that they have the worst point total. If we go with best point total it could be the team with the worst record.

3/21/2010 8:46 PM
"Well, what i'm planning to do is give the playoff slots to the teams which maximize their defense. I want to reward those teams whichmaximize the equation (+plays minus errors minus -plays) by granting them playoff slots. "

"One stipulation... You need to be over .500 to make the playoffs. I don't want the teams skewed so much to defense that they can't teach us something useful"

It seems that he made it clear that he wants the team that maximizes the equation to be the team that makes the playoffs. He does state a stipulation. The stipulation is a guard designed to protect against a team setting up a bunch of .174 hitters with A+/A+ fielding. He requires a team to meet a measure of success (ie, >.500). I think if all teams fail to meet that standard then the playoff slot should go to the team that met the first rule....maximizing the equation.
3/21/2010 9:44 PM
At the risk of jinxing myself, Doppleganger 70 should have an asterisk next to it, they are also over .500. I don't want anyone else in the division getting their hopes up.
3/22/2010 2:41 AM
Quote: Originally posted by mmiller989 on 3/21/2010Well, the numbers are low, but this is an interesting possibility. I had assumed fatigue impacted error rate about the same as it impacts BA and OBP -- which is to say, not much until you drop to around 90-91% fatigue.

I've thought of requesting home versus away fielding information. Right now, it's all lumped together into a total for your team stats. I wonder if that would shed some light too.

It is definitely a small sample size, but I've seen serious increases in errors from players who typically don't make errors, or who make very few errors once they even drop to 99%. For example, I use the '89 HoJo at SS on virtually every team I'm able to and he almost always plays error free ball. His only errors ever come once he drops below 100. I had him make 5 errors before in a season in which he never dropped below 98 fatigue. 5 may not seem like many, but from a guy who normally gives you 0, it's a large increase. I also routinely use Wrigley Field, so my ballpark has remained fairly consistent as well.

That said, I would not be opposed to home/away fielding splits as well. Especially if there is some factor involved there.
3/22/2010 3:14 AM
__________________Game 115____________________________
National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 40-79-31= -70
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 148-56-5= +87 *
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 34-98-19= -85
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 58-79-33= -54 *

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 93-79-5= +9 *
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 86-36-14= +36 *
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 128-78-7= +43
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 120-167-4= -51 *

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 74-89-17= -32
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 72-123-19= -70
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 109-130-5= -26
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 25-73-29= -77 *

____________________________________________________________

AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 137-88-8= +41*
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 87-111-6= -30 *
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 66-85-11= -30
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 60-43-18= -1

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 66-95-10= -39 *
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 57-81-11= -30
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 125-112-1=+12*
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 65-64-8= -7

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 118-74-0= +44
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 85-44-8= +33
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 45-102-44= -101
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 50-62-11= -23 *

League averages 81-85-14= -18

Divisional POINT leaders in bold

* = denotes teams over .500
3/21/2010 at 1:26 pm
3/22/2010 10:18 AM
Quote: Originally posted by winnetka1 on 3/21/2010The stipulation is a guard designed to protect against a team setting up a bunch of .174 hitters with A+/A+ fielding.

As it turns out a team of .200 hitters playing A+/A+ defense actually evens out to a slightly under .500 ballclub. I'm not so far out of it that it's impossible for me to pull above .500, but this is the worst bunch of hitters I've ever seen.
3/22/2010 3:18 PM
__________________Game 118____________________________
National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 40-85-34= -79
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 151-62-6= +83 *
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 37-100-19= -82
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 58-82-34= -58 *

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 93-83-5= +5 *
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 87-40-14= +33 *
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 132-82-7= +43
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 124-169-4= -49 *

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 77-93-17= -33
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 74-123-19= -68
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 111-133-5= -27
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 27-75-29= -77 *

____________________________________________________________

AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 139-90-8= +41*
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 93-115-6= -28 *
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 68-86-11= -29
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 62-44-19= -1

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 67-99-10= -42 *
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 57-85-12= -40
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 129-113-1= +15 *
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 65-64-8= -7

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 121-76-0= +45
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 87-44-8= +35
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 45-108-44= -107
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 50-64-11= -25 *

League averages 83-88-14= -19

Divisional POINT leaders in bold

* = denotes teams over .500
3/23/2010 8:42 AM
Just to be sure I understand....in the NL the Wild Card standings would be something like:

Off by Off 72-48
Not sure 71-49
Don't Be 71-49
D-gang 20 69-51

The Division Leaders and virtual locks are
Rime 69-51 +83
Scratch 64-56 +33
I don't know in the West.
Is it possible that no team could qualify in the West with a >.500 record and a + final tally?
It would seem that if the season ended today Off by Off should get one of the lock spots because they are both above .500 and are +, and then the next best record would get the WC spot.
3/24/2010 12:41 AM
Mike, the wild card race in the NL would look like this:

OFF by OFF 72-49
Not sure 71-50
D-gang 69-52
dads 58-63

Don't be.. would be a divisional winner being that it is the only team in that division over .500

As for the AL west situation if nobody finishes over .500 the divisional winner will be the total equation points leader.
3/24/2010 9:39 AM
__________________Game 121____________________________
National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 41-88-35= -82
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 154-65-6= +87 *
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 37-102-20= -85
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 60-85-35= -60 *

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 95-85-5= +5 *
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 89-40-14= +35 *
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 134-84-7= +43
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 132-176-4= -48 *

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 77-98-17= -38
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 76-123-19= -66
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 115-134-5= -24
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 28-79-30= -81 *

____________________________________________________________

AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 140-92-8= +40*
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 94-117-6= -29 *
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 68-90-11= -33
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 64-46-19= -1

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 69-102-10= -43 *
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 58-85-12= -39
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 132-115-1= +16 *
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 67-68-8= -9

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 126-79-0= +47
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 88-44-8= +36*
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 45-112-45= -112
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 54-65-12= -23 *

League averages 83-88-14= -19

Divisional POINT leaders in bold

* = denotes teams over .500
3/24/2010 9:49 AM
__________________Game 121____________________________National League W-L (Equation Points)

East Division

Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 58-63 (-82)
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 69-52 (+87)
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 58-63 (-85)
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 71-50 (-60)Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 72-49 (+5)
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 65-56 (+35)
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 48-73 (+43)
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 69-52 (-48)Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 47-74 (-38)
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 56-65 (-66)
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 50-71 (-24)
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 71-50 (-81)

____________________________________________________________AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division

Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 70-51 (+40)
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 66-55 (-29)
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 58-63 (-33)
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 49-72 (-1)Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 68-53 (-43)
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 52-69 (-39)
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 66-55 (+16)
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 56-65 (-9)West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 56-65 (+47)
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 61-60 (+36)
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 54-67 (-112)
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 62-59 (-23)
3/24/2010 10:08 AM
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