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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 2/21/2010
1 I did build my team for the -5, but it turns out that it works better in the -3. Live and learn.

2 If defensive positioning doesnt matter why does everyone flip out when someone plays the -5?

3 I am pretty sure I have had success...Are you saying that anyone without an NT title is a loser?



No, that would be Diablo making those kind of ridiculous statements.
2/21/2010 9:05 AM
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2/21/2010 12:07 PM
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Well Actually I made the post season 75% of the time.

8 Pi and 4 NT.

I think 75% compares favorably to the rest of the Big Ten.

I have only had an RPI over 100 3 times. I think that also compares favorably with the rest of the Big Ten.

And I am "Meeting Expectations"

The question is what standard would you use to make me a failure?
2/21/2010 3:13 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 2/21/2010Well Actually I made the post season 75% of the time. 8 Pi and 4 NT. I think 75% compares favorably to the rest of the Big Ten. I have only had an RPI over 100 3 times. I think that also compares favorably with the rest of the Big Ten. And I am "Meeting Expectations" The question is what standard would you use to make me a failure?

I really hope that you don't judge your accomplishments as a coach based on what your fake boosters/AD thinks of you.
2/21/2010 9:17 PM
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Sounds callous, but just making the NT isn't the same as having post-season success. Getting past the first round more than the one time you did (outside of your first year with olddawg's players) would go a long way in legitimizing your success claim. I for one was admittedly a failure at Va Tech and LaSalle, no shame in that, of course I tend to over-reach on my rebuilds. Should cherrypick more, I guess.
2/21/2010 10:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 2/21/2010
Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 2/21/2010
Well Actually I made the post season 75% of the time.

8 Pi and 4 NT.

I think 75% compares favorably to the rest of the Big Ten.

I have only had an RPI over 100 3 times. I think that also compares favorably with the rest of the Big Ten.

And I am "Meeting Expectations"

The question is what standard would you use to make me a failure?

I really hope that you don't judge your accomplishments as a coach based on what your fake boosters/AD thinks of you
Fake game...Fake Boosters

There seems to be a belief among some that if you play bad for a couple of seasons and really good for 1 season you are playing better than someone who has solid seasons year after year.

That isnt was real life would say.
2/23/2010 1:00 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 2/23/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 2/21/2010

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 2/21/2010

Well Actually I made the post season 75% of the time.

8 Pi and 4 NT.

I think 75% compares favorably to the rest of the Big Ten.

I have only had an RPI over 100 3 times. I think that also compares favorably with the rest of the Big Ten.

And I am "Meeting Expectations"

The question is what standard would you use to make me a failure?

I really hope that you don't judge your accomplishments as a coach based on what your fake boosters/AD thinks of you.
Fake game...Fake Boosters

There seems to be a belief among some that if you play bad for a couple of seasons and really good for 1 season you are playing better than someone who has solid seasons year after year.

That isnt was real life would say.

I still don't understand how you view your resume as 'solid'
2/23/2010 8:04 AM
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I've seen worse resumes, but I agree with Z, "solid" might not be how I would describe your Purdue coaching career. "Just this side of mediocre" is probably a little more accurate.......
2/23/2010 8:10 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 2/23/2010I've seen worse resumes, but I agree with Z, "solid" might not be how I would describe your Purdue coaching career. "Just this side of mediocre" is probably a little more accurate......
What is even more debatable is the comment that he has been "more successful" without the -5.
2/23/2010 9:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 2/23/2010I've seen worse resumes, but I agree with Z, "solid" might not be how I would describe your Purdue coaching career. "Just this side of mediocre" is probably a little more accurate......
So how many Big Ten teams would you say have performed better than me over the same time?
2/23/2010 12:22 PM
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Without looking I'd say at least half the conference. Doesn't take much to do 'better' then a PI berth every other year.
2/23/2010 12:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 2/21/2010
Well Actually I made the post season 75% of the time.

8 Pi and 4 NT.

I think 75% compares favorably to the rest of the Big Ten.

I have only had an RPI over 100 3 times. I think that also compares favorably with the rest of the Big Ten.

And I am "Meeting Expectations"

The question is what standard would you use to make me a failure?

I would consider making the pi a failure but maybe thats just me
2/23/2010 1:17 PM
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I wouldn't say it as ALWAYS a failure, but it isn't a definition of continued success.
2/23/2010 1:41 PM
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I would say that in a BCS conference, real success is defined by winning NT games, making NT runs, etc. Being a consistent PI team with the occasional NT berth isn't successful, it's just consistently mediocre.

Let's be real here: There are roughly 150 human-coached DI teams in Allen, so nearly 2/3 of human-coached DI teams will make the postseason. To me, that means just making the postseason isn't a success -- particularly from a BCS conference where you have an inherent advantages over more than half the teams out there.

And swamp, that's not meant as a dig at you or anyone else. But I do think that calling your tenure at Purdue successful would have to be the result of very low expectations. (And on that note, it's also worth pointing out that you took over a program that was in the NT nearly every season, so their level of play has clearly sunk w. you at the helm -- and that's w. the Big Ten not being as strong as it used to be.)
2/23/2010 2:57 PM
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What I was saying wasn't really in referance to swampy, but more along the lines that a PT isn't a failure if you are rebuilding or retooling one year. Is it the definition of success, no, but it isn't always a failure either. Contextual.
2/23/2010 7:29 PM
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