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And, I was trying to say quality wins in a poor manner for most of the day yesterday.
5/13/2010 2:42 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 5/13/2010
I dont know what the #1 factor is, for the reasons you stated. I think it is a combination of RPI, Wins (quality wins), SOS, Last 10 games, Wins vs Top 50 RPI and probably more. I dont think one is that much more important than the other.

Not considered anymore despite what ESPN tells you; was taken out a couple of years ago.
5/13/2010 2:52 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 5/13/2010And, I was trying to say quality wins in a poor manner for most of the day yesterday
I agree with you and Dalter (I think) that WIS doesnt really account for quality wins enough; but only as relative to two teams with comparable resumes...If a team has a 15-12 record and a SOS of 10 I dont think 4 quality wins (Wins v. teams with sub 100 RPI) would get them into the tournament. Look at Notre Dame in Phelan...assuming they dont win another game (CT)...they are 12-14 with a 47 RPI and 2 SOS. Im assuming you'd think they should get in? I think they shouldn't even be considered.
5/13/2010 2:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 5/13/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 5/13/2010
And, I was trying to say quality wins in a poor manner for most of the day yesterday.
I agree with you and Dalter (I think) that WIS doesnt really account for quality wins enough; but only as relative to two teams with comparable resumes...If a team has a 15-12 record and a SOS of 10 I dont think 4 quality wins (Wins v. teams with sub 100 RPI) would get them into the tournament. Look at Notre Dame in Phelan...assuming they dont win another game (CT)...they are 12-14 with a 47 RPI and 2 SOS. Im assuming you'd think they should get in? I think they shouldn't even be considered
They can't be considered...have to be at least .500.
5/13/2010 2:58 PM
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Obviously, there is a rule in place that teams have to be at least .500 to get consideration. Once they meet that requirement, they should and will be considered.

Hypothetical Question: What if a team is 15-15 with an RPI and SOS of 20. Do you think they should get consideration?
5/13/2010 3:02 PM
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can someone explain why Wake- tark was out?
5/13/2010 3:02 PM
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and, i have revised mmt's nickname---

emmty





is that better emy?
5/13/2010 3:02 PM
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Yeah but if they played an easier schedule they would easily win 25 games, isnt that your standard? ;)

What if they win 3 games in the CT and finish at 15-14 with a 37ish RPI and 1 SOS? Do they get in?
5/13/2010 3:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 5/13/2010
Obviously, there is a rule in place that teams have to be at least .500 to get consideration. Once they meet that requirement, they should and will be considered.

Hypothetical Question: What if a team is 15-15 with an RPI and SOS of 20. Do you think they should get consideration?

Well, the RPI would get them "considered" because it passes the initial litmus test; but the instant their .500 record is revealed, they would be turned away. The only example I can think of in the last 20 years of a team with a borderline record getting in is that Arizona team and Im pretty sure they had more than 15 wins...or did they win the Pac10...I dont recall off hand.
5/13/2010 3:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 5/13/2010

and, i have revised mmt's nickname---

emmty





is that better emy?




Feel free to call me M&M; M2THET; M-Istotle; Melicious; M-Tizzo; Empty; MMT; MT; 2MM; TMsquared; or any other nickname your so choose.
5/13/2010 3:07 PM
sully712
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Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 5/13/2010

Yeah but if they played an easier schedule they would easily win 25 games, isnt that your standard? ;)

What if they win 3 games in the CT and finish at 15-14 with a 37ish RPI and 1 SOS? Do they get in?

The .500 rule is not mine. If they win 3 games and finish at 15-14, then yes, I think they should get considered. I havent looked at their "quality wins" but I would think they have a few. Would they definitely get a spot? I dont know. I would probably take them over a 22-7 team with a 50ish RPI and a 100+ SOS. All dependent on quality wins though.
5/13/2010 3:30 PM
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I still don't see how any of you say that wins don't count enough when a 9 win team made the PI...simply unbelievable.
5/13/2010 5:06 PM
sully712
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I'm not talking about the PIT. I think the selection criteria for the two is completely separate.
5/13/2010 5:21 PM
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Do you guys think my 11-15 68 RPI Stanford team deserves a PIT bid?
5/13/2010 8:29 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/13/2010I still don't see how any of you say that wins don't count enough when a 9 win team made the PI...simply unbelievable.

in the PI:
they beat a 17-win (79 RPI) team on the road
they almost beat a 22-win (86 RPI) team on the road

it seems to me that whatever the ranking system did to come to the conclusion, it did a good job.
5/13/2010 10:37 PM
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