You didn't do any thinking either. But at least the point has moved to the debatable; do these players actually exist, and if they do, do that many exist, even in the low minors?

Evidence says "no". We would scream if 100 power was similarily out of line. We should at least relook at it at the other end of the spectrum.

Posted by 98greenc5 on 9/28/2010 2:40:00 PM (view original):
I think Mike's "math" is plenty faulty, but his point is correct

there are currently 3 zero power hitters in MG MLB rosters.  assuming 12 hitters per roster, that is less than 1% of MLB hitters with zero power

You can't look at minor league rosters for population data simply because too many owners don't care about the minors. The engine may indeed generate "too many" zero power hitters, but in a perfect world they would get weeded out of minor league system when they sucked.  But if you just need warm bodies, you don't care if they suck.  And if you need a minor leaguer that owns a glove, you really don't care if he has zero power.

Another person missing the point of the thread.

getting back to the original point of the thread, I'm not sure if there is an "issue" or not.  Even if there is an "issue," I'm certain it isn't big

Bi Gal showed that any player who is given 2,000 MLB ABs will hit a HR.  So any player with enough "MLB talent" to accumulate 2,000 ABs can't have a "zero power" rating (as defined as zero power = zero HRs)

But that fact doesn't mean that any player given 2,000 HBD ABs should hit a HR at some point.  And if a zero power rating even meant 1 HR per 2,000 ABs (which it can't based on what we have seen), that means a couple HRs tops for the long career of a D-spec SS or CF.  Hardly something to get worked up about.

and none of that is new ground broken in this thread

"The engine may indeed generate "too many" zero power hitters, but in a perfect world they would get weeded out of minor league system when they sucked."

No, I think he got it.

MORE BETTER PLAYERS!!!!

At the end of the day, the system generates what it generates.   Light hitting 1B who don't have the skills to play anywhere else.   Pitchers who can't find the plate with a compass.   "Shortstops" who might have the D skills to play LF.   DH who would struggle to make a bar league softball team.   Pitchers who get tired after 4 warm-up pitches. 

It's our job to weed out those we can't use.    If you can use a 0 power player, do so.  If you can't, let someone else deal with him.     Much like I believe MLB teams would cut loose a fellow who can't get the ball to the wall in the gap during a game, you can do the same thing.  Or you can worry yourself over 0 power players and their home run totals.

Oh no. Don't make this an Arlen argument. No one is asking for 70 HRs here. Just a review of the norm.

Pro - this isn't normal. Can someone look at it and bring it to normal?
Against - they suck anyway. Don't waste your time and deal with it.

And I see that point, but I also see BiGal's point. And his is better than yours. And he's smarter. Probably better looking too.

5 minutes of poking around MiLB.com, I give you:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=463040

Jose De Los Santos ... 1,460 Minor league ABs and he's up to AA ... ZERO HRs (zero triples too) ... stole over 100 bases, so plenty of speed

I'm guessing he plays plus defense at 2B, so he could stick around.  But he has "zero power" for sure

I'm hardly worked up about it - it is a pretty pointless issue.  I just don't like inconsistencies.

The Arlen part was to point how pointless complaining about players you don't like is.

We're all in charge of our teams.  You can cut them loose and not worry about them.  Or you can ask WifS to change something to suit your requirements. 

That's actually an Arlen argument too.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t538&t=p_pbp&pid=518538

1,308 ABs, no HRs

Holy crap. We're both Arlen?

DELETE THIS THREAD, STAT!!!!

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=571768

7th round draft pick, 697 ABs, no HRs, still hitting .300 career

Yeah, this is a problem.  Are we all wrong then?

Posted by 98greenc5 on 9/28/2010 3:02:00 PM (view original):
5 minutes of poking around MiLB.com, I give you:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=463040

Jose De Los Santos ... 1,460 Minor league ABs and he's up to AA ... ZERO HRs (zero triples too) ... stole over 100 bases, so plenty of speed

I'm guessing he plays plus defense at 2B, so he could stick around.  But he has "zero power" for sure

.483 OPS since 2005, and he's made an All Star team.

What do we know?

Looks at it this way:  I'm sure most of us played baseball at some point.   First couple of years, there were kids who couldn't hit the ball at all.  They quit playing.   As you got older, there were kids who couldn't hit the ball with authority.  They got cut.   Then you reached HS, Legion or College ball.  Maybe there was a kid or two who couldn't hit a homer.  They weren't drafted.

We're drafting them, signing them and giving them significant playing time.   We broke the cycle that MLB doesn't.