Posted by emy1013 on 10/31/2010 2:17:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by daalter on 10/31/2010 12:17:00 PM (view original):
emy, have you seen that show "What Would You Do?" It stages fake situations that call for innocent bystanders to step up and say something/help out/etc. Some people do stand up, and others just ignore it and go about their normal day.

Has your place of employment convinced you to pick up a "Stop Snitching" mentality?

I work in a prison Daalter, snitching can be VERY dangerous.  I've seen, firsthand, throats cut because of it.  So, no, I don't snitch.  Ever.

And before any of you "lawyerly"-types try to call me out for an early post about reporting the situation to CS, notice I said someone, not me.  I've got NO problem with wisefella's actions, whatsoever.

Trey said it best a few posts earlier.  If one bad team causes him to miss the NT, his team probably wasn't that good anyway.  It'll all work itself out gentlemen, be patient (that seems to be the mantra around here anyway, "Give it a few seasons to cycle through......").

And did you miss THIS line?:

 

"This is actually TONS of fun and I am thinking of getting even more seasons"


 

How many times are you gonna post this?  And do you actually believe EVERYTHING you hear?

Once he's done it once, why wouldn't he stoop to doing it again?

 

Once you've proven your lack of ethics, well. . .
 

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 5:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by a_in_the_b on 10/31/2010 12:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 11:14:00 AM (view original):
If this is his way to bite back at WIS for a subpar hiring logic, then I don't see this as a bad thing.  How else is he going to get back at WIS?  He's just to grin and bear it just because it's more convenient for the rest of you?  How effing selfish are you guys.  Get screwed like this guy did, then get back to me, until then, let the man make his stand and deal with it as he sees it to be appropriate.  It's funny how high and mighty you all get when something eventually doesn't go your way via another user.

I don't really care what the TOS says, he paid for the seasons, it's his team and as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.  If you're ****** about conference RPI, tough, you should back your peer in his stance against the hiring logic policy instead of turning your back on him.

So, Colonels, if you don't care about the TOS, you think that anyone who has a disagreement  with you should be able to violate the terms of any contract they have with you and it will be a - ok?

 

The guy feels that he got screwed by the system, and a lot of folks seem to think that he has a legitimate argument, so if he's not supposed/allowed to raise his black-gloved fist in defiance by flushing his team down the can to make a stand, then what's a suitable alternative for him to make a statement?  I don't give a damn who/what he hurt, he's making the most powerful statement you can make...why shouldn't he?

Like I said, it seems the only right answer here for most of you is that wisefella should merely grin and bear it and "wait til next year"...well you know what...bullshit.  I guess the only other credible alternative is hunrdeds of dollars in refunds for the money wisefella wasted...

Wait, so because he was frustrated with the hiring process, all the seasons he played are now "wasted" and he should be refunded?  And the only way to take revenge on WIS is to pay them and make his conference mates mad?

Posted by a_in_the_b on 10/31/2010 5:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 5:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by a_in_the_b on 10/31/2010 12:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 11:14:00 AM (view original):
If this is his way to bite back at WIS for a subpar hiring logic, then I don't see this as a bad thing.  How else is he going to get back at WIS?  He's just to grin and bear it just because it's more convenient for the rest of you?  How effing selfish are you guys.  Get screwed like this guy did, then get back to me, until then, let the man make his stand and deal with it as he sees it to be appropriate.  It's funny how high and mighty you all get when something eventually doesn't go your way via another user.

I don't really care what the TOS says, he paid for the seasons, it's his team and as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.  If you're ****** about conference RPI, tough, you should back your peer in his stance against the hiring logic policy instead of turning your back on him.

So, Colonels, if you don't care about the TOS, you think that anyone who has a disagreement  with you should be able to violate the terms of any contract they have with you and it will be a - ok?

 

The guy feels that he got screwed by the system, and a lot of folks seem to think that he has a legitimate argument, so if he's not supposed/allowed to raise his black-gloved fist in defiance by flushing his team down the can to make a stand, then what's a suitable alternative for him to make a statement?  I don't give a damn who/what he hurt, he's making the most powerful statement you can make...why shouldn't he?

Like I said, it seems the only right answer here for most of you is that wisefella should merely grin and bear it and "wait til next year"...well you know what...bullshit.  I guess the only other credible alternative is hunrdeds of dollars in refunds for the money wisefella wasted...

YOu failed to answer the question, colonels;  do you think that 'being angry' is a valid reason for violating a contract?

At least asking for refunded money would be appropriate, unlike what he did.
 

 

It can be, it all depends on the circumstances...and if in fact he did "violate a contract" (I think it's hilarious how "official" you're trying to make this sound), then it's the business of the user and the company, and no one else...you want wisefella to pay the piper per se, go cry to WIS about how this guy has raised his black fist...don't make some senseless post just to downtrod the guy because you don't have the sack to take action.  If dalter didn't send a ticket about this, then he's about as big a hypocrite as you'll find here.

Posted by rednu on 10/31/2010 5:46:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 11:14:00 AM (view original):
If this is his way to bite back at WIS for a subpar hiring logic, then I don't see this as a bad thing.  How else is he going to get back at WIS?  He's just to grin and bear it just because it's more convenient for the rest of you?  How effing selfish are you guys.  Get screwed like this guy did, then get back to me, until then, let the man make his stand and deal with it as he sees it to be appropriate.  It's funny how high and mighty you all get when something eventually doesn't go your way via another user.

I don't really care what the TOS says, he paid for the seasons, it's his team and as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.  If you're ****** about conference RPI, tough, you should back your peer in his stance against the hiring logic policy instead of turning your back on him.

Colonels, do you not get the fact that these actions are NOT getting back at WIS. Not hurting them at all. Only hurting his conference mates.

If he was doing something that actually hurt WIS and didn't hurt his conference mates, then even though it might still be wrong or a clear violation of the TOS, at least it would be a two-sided issue. This is clear as day -- not only is he wrong, but the only people he's screwing are those in his conference.

Ok, but then how else does he get back at WIS/the game for this happening?  I'd love to hear the instead of.  Again, your solution just seems to be that he should bend over and continue to take it in the ***, and that just because it didn't happen to you, that he shouldn't have done it.  You're being incredibly selfish here...again, step in the man's shoes, and get back to me...

Exactly how does his action "get back at WIS"? Maybe you can explain that to me, because from where I'm sitting, what he's doing has no negative impact on WIS. 

Does it cost the company money? No...they've already got his money, and from at least one post he's thinking of adding money to keep doing it. So if anything, not only is he not "getting back at" he's actually going to be financially PROMOTING the behavior that has him flipping out in more flavors than Baskin Robbins has ice cream in the first place. 

Is he driving other users away? Doesn't look like it...he might force them out of the conference, but I doubt what he's going to do is likely to prompt anyone to quit the game, so he's not having a ripple effect of knocking other users out of the game. Again, no impact to WIS. 

As for real ways he might "get back at WIS"...let's stop and think here...

1. Post to every and any basketball/sim-game forum out there...point out the shortcomings of the hiring logic, recruit generation or whatever other issues he may have. It's not like this is the only game in town. If fresh blood suddenly stops trickling in, people engaged in a profit-driven business tend to start noticing. We already know that most of the traffic to WIS is via word-of-mouth because they don't advertise their products for a darn...if the word-of-mouth reports start sounding sour, that'll have an impact. 

2. Organize an on-site protest...evidently there are a few other people here that agree. Organize a walk-out of like-minded folks. Everyone demand refunds and be specific about why. If it creates enough of an impact, folks notice. If it's really the problem he thinks it is, getting other people to join the cause shouldn't be a problem.

3. Boycott all other WIS products (if he's in any)...doesn't make any sense to demand a refund from here if you're just turning around and using that money to get Gridiron or Hardball dynasty seasons instead...they're still getting their money. 

I'm sure there are other ways...I've just listed three that crossed my mind in 60 seconds. I bet with the brilliant minds on here there's plenty of other methods that could be employed. It's really not hard to target your actions against the guilty parties rather than behaving like the schoolyard bully who's taking the ball and going home because he's not allowed to pitch. 

All 3 of your suggestions EASILY pale in comparison to what he did, because #1 doesn't get anything done, and #2 and #3 are virtually impossible to pull off, so why not do the most forceful/powerful thing you can do in this instance and release your 5 best players...if that isn't the ultimate eff you/this, regardless of if it was done to WIS or not, then I don't know what the hell is.  At the very least, you have to admire/respect the guy for standing up for principle and his own self worth...that's what's being missed here.

It's pretty easy to sit back and say what you would do in this situation when you don't actually have to go through it.  All you guys are are nothing more than holier than thou armchair QBs...again, step into the man's shoes, and get back to me...

Posted by tkimble on 10/31/2010 5:53:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by a_in_the_b on 10/31/2010 12:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 11:14:00 AM (view original):
If this is his way to bite back at WIS for a subpar hiring logic, then I don't see this as a bad thing.  How else is he going to get back at WIS?  He's just to grin and bear it just because it's more convenient for the rest of you?  How effing selfish are you guys.  Get screwed like this guy did, then get back to me, until then, let the man make his stand and deal with it as he sees it to be appropriate.  It's funny how high and mighty you all get when something eventually doesn't go your way via another user.

I don't really care what the TOS says, he paid for the seasons, it's his team and as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.  If you're ****** about conference RPI, tough, you should back your peer in his stance against the hiring logic policy instead of turning your back on him.

So, Colonels, if you don't care about the TOS, you think that anyone who has a disagreement  with you should be able to violate the terms of any contract they have with you and it will be a - ok?

 

The guy feels that he got screwed by the system, and a lot of folks seem to think that he has a legitimate argument, so if he's not supposed/allowed to raise his black-gloved fist in defiance by flushing his team down the can to make a stand, then what's a suitable alternative for him to make a statement?  I don't give a damn who/what he hurt, he's making the most powerful statement you can make...why shouldn't he?

Like I said, it seems the only right answer here for most of you is that wisefella should merely grin and bear it and "wait til next year"...well you know what...bullshit.  I guess the only other credible alternative is hunrdeds of dollars in refunds for the money wisefella wasted...

Wait, so because he was frustrated with the hiring process, all the seasons he played are now "wasted" and he should be refunded?  And the only way to take revenge on WIS is to pay them and make his conference mates mad?

If 25 seasons at an A+ school weren't good enough to get him an A- job, then yes I certainly believe he's entitled to some sort of refund, maybe not in full, but some...it's better than just taking it in the *** because a lot of pompous, holier than thou folks think he should because it's convenient for THEM/THEIR CONFERENCE.

Also, from what I understand, he's no longer paying to play, guessing he had credits or leftover seasons.  At this point, do you really think he gives a f*** about what you/me/his conference mates think of him?  He has/had nothing left to lose...how can you not see/understand this...just remember, if WIS didn't have a ridiculous hiring policy (to which I've griped about myself) then this never would have happened...so who's really to blame here?

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 6:03:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 11:14:00 AM (view original):
If this is his way to bite back at WIS for a subpar hiring logic, then I don't see this as a bad thing.  How else is he going to get back at WIS?  He's just to grin and bear it just because it's more convenient for the rest of you?  How effing selfish are you guys.  Get screwed like this guy did, then get back to me, until then, let the man make his stand and deal with it as he sees it to be appropriate.  It's funny how high and mighty you all get when something eventually doesn't go your way via another user.

I don't really care what the TOS says, he paid for the seasons, it's his team and as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.  If you're ****** about conference RPI, tough, you should back your peer in his stance against the hiring logic policy instead of turning your back on him.

Colonels, do you not get the fact that these actions are NOT getting back at WIS. Not hurting them at all. Only hurting his conference mates.

If he was doing something that actually hurt WIS and didn't hurt his conference mates, then even though it might still be wrong or a clear violation of the TOS, at least it would be a two-sided issue. This is clear as day -- not only is he wrong, but the only people he's screwing are those in his conference.

Ok, but then how else does he get back at WIS/the game for this happening?  I'd love to hear the instead of.  Again, your solution just seems to be that he should bend over and continue to take it in the ***, and that just because it didn't happen to you, that he shouldn't have done it.  You're being incredibly selfish here...again, step in the man's shoes, and get back to me...

Exactly how does his action "get back at WIS"? Maybe you can explain that to me, because from where I'm sitting, what he's doing has no negative impact on WIS. 

Does it cost the company money? No...they've already got his money, and from at least one post he's thinking of adding money to keep doing it. So if anything, not only is he not "getting back at" he's actually going to be financially PROMOTING the behavior that has him flipping out in more flavors than Baskin Robbins has ice cream in the first place. 

Is he driving other users away? Doesn't look like it...he might force them out of the conference, but I doubt what he's going to do is likely to prompt anyone to quit the game, so he's not having a ripple effect of knocking other users out of the game. Again, no impact to WIS. 

As for real ways he might "get back at WIS"...let's stop and think here...

1. Post to every and any basketball/sim-game forum out there...point out the shortcomings of the hiring logic, recruit generation or whatever other issues he may have. It's not like this is the only game in town. If fresh blood suddenly stops trickling in, people engaged in a profit-driven business tend to start noticing. We already know that most of the traffic to WIS is via word-of-mouth because they don't advertise their products for a darn...if the word-of-mouth reports start sounding sour, that'll have an impact. 

2. Organize an on-site protest...evidently there are a few other people here that agree. Organize a walk-out of like-minded folks. Everyone demand refunds and be specific about why. If it creates enough of an impact, folks notice. If it's really the problem he thinks it is, getting other people to join the cause shouldn't be a problem.

3. Boycott all other WIS products (if he's in any)...doesn't make any sense to demand a refund from here if you're just turning around and using that money to get Gridiron or Hardball dynasty seasons instead...they're still getting their money. 

I'm sure there are other ways...I've just listed three that crossed my mind in 60 seconds. I bet with the brilliant minds on here there's plenty of other methods that could be employed. It's really not hard to target your actions against the guilty parties rather than behaving like the schoolyard bully who's taking the ball and going home because he's not allowed to pitch. 

All 3 of your suggestions EASILY pale in comparison to what he did, because #1 doesn't get anything done, and #2 and #3 are virtually impossible to pull off, so why not do the most forceful/powerful thing you can do in this instance and release your 5 best players...if that isn't the ultimate eff you/this, regardless of if it was done to WIS or not, then I don't know what the hell is.  At the very least, you have to admire/respect the guy for standing up for principle and his own self worth...that's what's being missed here.

It's pretty easy to sit back and say what you would do in this situation when you don't actually have to go through it.  All you guys are are nothing more than holier than thou armchair QBs...again, step into the man's shoes, and get back to me...

But it's not like some great evil was done to him, he just didn't get the job he wanted.

Ok, so what 'great evil' is he doing to the game then?  He's equivalently not recruiting for a below average squad with 9 open 'ships...that's never happened before..........

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 6:09:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 11:14:00 AM (view original):
If this is his way to bite back at WIS for a subpar hiring logic, then I don't see this as a bad thing.  How else is he going to get back at WIS?  He's just to grin and bear it just because it's more convenient for the rest of you?  How effing selfish are you guys.  Get screwed like this guy did, then get back to me, until then, let the man make his stand and deal with it as he sees it to be appropriate.  It's funny how high and mighty you all get when something eventually doesn't go your way via another user.

I don't really care what the TOS says, he paid for the seasons, it's his team and as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.  If you're ****** about conference RPI, tough, you should back your peer in his stance against the hiring logic policy instead of turning your back on him.

So, Colonels, if you don't care about the TOS, you think that anyone who has a disagreement  with you should be able to violate the terms of any contract they have with you and it will be a - ok?

 

The guy feels that he got screwed by the system, and a lot of folks seem to think that he has a legitimate argument, so if he's not supposed/allowed to raise his black-gloved fist in defiance by flushing his team down the can to make a stand, then what's a suitable alternative for him to make a statement?  I don't give a damn who/what he hurt, he's making the most powerful statement you can make...why shouldn't he?

Like I said, it seems the only right answer here for most of you is that wisefella should merely grin and bear it and "wait til next year"...well you know what...bullshit.  I guess the only other credible alternative is hunrdeds of dollars in refunds for the money wisefella wasted...

Wait, so because he was frustrated with the hiring process, all the seasons he played are now "wasted" and he should be refunded?  And the only way to take revenge on WIS is to pay them and make his conference mates mad?

If 25 seasons at an A+ school weren't good enough to get him an A- job, then yes I certainly believe he's entitled to some sort of refund, maybe not in full, but some...it's better than just taking it in the *** because a lot of pompous, holier than thou folks think he should because it's convenient for THEM/THEIR CONFERENCE.

Also, from what I understand, he's no longer paying to play, guessing he had credits or leftover seasons.  At this point, do you really think he gives a f*** about what you/me/his conference mates think of him?  He has/had nothing left to lose...how can you not see/understand this...just remember, if WIS didn't have a ridiculous hiring policy (to which I've griped about myself) then this never would have happened...so who's really to blame here?

THe person to blame is himself, the one who threw the tantrum.

If this thread is good for anything, it's making it easy to tell the grown-ups from the emotional adolescents.

Frankly, I'm willing to bet that anyone immature enough to pull a stunt like this would have been the first one crying on the forums if someone else in his conference had done the same thing...

Posted by antonsirius on 10/31/2010 6:27:00 PM (view original):
If this thread is good for anything, it's making it easy to tell the grown-ups from the emotional adolescents.

The two main people defending him are colonels and furry. Enough said.

And then there's beachedwhale, who has developed an enormous hard-on for me even though I've never had any direct interaction with him. This is on the basis of the fact that I have both a DI team and DII team in Allen, and every season during the NT, he posts something nasty on my conference board calling me a cheater. So ... yeah. Pretty hilarious.

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 5:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by a_in_the_b on 10/31/2010 12:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 11:14:00 AM (view original):
If this is his way to bite back at WIS for a subpar hiring logic, then I don't see this as a bad thing.  How else is he going to get back at WIS?  He's just to grin and bear it just because it's more convenient for the rest of you?  How effing selfish are you guys.  Get screwed like this guy did, then get back to me, until then, let the man make his stand and deal with it as he sees it to be appropriate.  It's funny how high and mighty you all get when something eventually doesn't go your way via another user.

I don't really care what the TOS says, he paid for the seasons, it's his team and as far as I'm concerned, he can do whatever the hell he wants with it.  If you're ****** about conference RPI, tough, you should back your peer in his stance against the hiring logic policy instead of turning your back on him.

So, Colonels, if you don't care about the TOS, you think that anyone who has a disagreement  with you should be able to violate the terms of any contract they have with you and it will be a - ok?

 

The guy feels that he got screwed by the system, and a lot of folks seem to think that he has a legitimate argument, so if he's not supposed/allowed to raise his black-gloved fist in defiance by flushing his team down the can to make a stand, then what's a suitable alternative for him to make a statement?  I don't give a damn who/what he hurt, he's making the most powerful statement you can make...why shouldn't he?

Like I said, it seems the only right answer here for most of you is that wisefella should merely grin and bear it and "wait til next year"...well you know what...bullshit.  I guess the only other credible alternative is hunrdeds of dollars in refunds for the money wisefella wasted...

ummm ... he should quit the game and get a refund.

He should not act like a 3 year old girl throwing a temper tantrum and violate the TOS of the site.  He did agree not to do that in order to get a team.  Or does his word not matter at all?

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Ok, so what 'great evil' is he doing to the game then?  He's equivalently not recruiting for a below average squad with 9 open 'ships...that's never happened before..........

He created the 9 open scholarships by cutting his best players ... they did not happen normally.  If he could have cut more than 3, he would have 10 open scholarships.

What difference does it make how it was come upon?  You guys are really making a mountain out of a molehill.  It's funny that all of you think that wisefella is being selfish, but y'all are being equally as selfish, wanting him to keep playing/trying for the sake of YOUR good and/or YOUR conference good...what makes your selfishness more valuable/appropo?

And dalter, again, have you sent a ticket about this matter or not?

Posted by colonels19 on 10/31/2010 6:52:00 PM (view original):
What difference does it make how it was come upon?  You guys are really making a mountain out of a molehill.  It's funny that all of you think that wisefella is being selfish, but y'all are being equally as selfish, wanting him to keep playing/trying for the sake of YOUR good and/or YOUR conference good...what makes your selfishness more valuable/appropo?

And dalter, again, have you sent a ticket about this matter or not?

Have you read the TOS, you are not allowed to team dump or purposely make your team worse.,