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Posted by rangerup on 3/20/2012 5:15:00 PM (view original):
Your a moron. He offered me the trade, not the other way around. But it isn't your world is it? Your just trying to incite a response like a moron.

Trade raping, while despicable in its own right, is not against the rules, and does not constitute GOD/Admin making changes that should never be made. The trade you are referring to was a fair one and one he offered to me originally. I didn't go after him.

But to answer your question, it is partly how I build my power house team. Through trades. Not solely but partly. It is not my responsibility to police another players trades....if I offer a crap trade to you and you accept, that is on you, not me.

No he did not offer you the trade. He offered you Montgomery and you sent him deal after deal trying to convince him it was a stellar idea to include a 19 year old pitcher with projections close to 100 in control, splits, pitches, and velocity (number one pick and possibly the best pitching prospect I've ever seen).

When he said no, you offered again and again. To the point where I had to tell you to stop trying to rape him. You then offered the same junk contracts to the other new owners. (Self disclosure: I brought 3 real life friends to the league and have been helping them learn the ropes- Naturally this leads to numerous accusations of me being a master sleuth signing up four teams with 4 credit cards, and scheming to keep elite prospects out of rangerups farm system).

I have refrained from posting for the sake of the league but what's one more day of our league being involved in a chat if it exposes you for being a hypocrite. The true reason Rangerup threatened to quit is not because of this contract change. It is because he has an aging team, with high contracts (110m) this season, and almost 70 committed to next season, almost 60 the next, and he has about 10 players due massive raises in arbitration, and some big name free agents coming up and he can not keep the team together forever. Also with a lot of owners beginning to favour younger cost control players he has few trade partners and he refuses to take 60-70cents on the dollar for his veterans. Sure his team is elite now, but it is falling a part quickly before his eyes and he wanted to keep the new owner trapped in a rough salary spot in order to continue his extortion attempts for the number one overall pick.

But I should stop running my mouth as I'm a newb to the world and this is Rangers world. He has been in it for almost 25% of its existance, his $15 means more than mine, and if thats not a good enough reason to keep my mouth shut how about because Ranger is the toughest, baddest guy on the internet who "lives in a world where there are rules that people have to follow" or else ranger will come knocking on their doorstep to give them a bruising.

There has never been a time in my WIS existance where I have been more petrified that I used my real name as my gamertag. Hopefully I don't run into 'rangerup' anytime soon. If that is infact your real name. Although that last sentence is retarded as noone as tough as yourself would ever hide behind an alias.

3/21/2012 4:35 AM

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Posted by dmurphy104 on 3/20/2012 3:38:00 PM (view original):

basebalguru PIMPS 3/20/2012 3:29 PM after this decision that WIS made which i do not disagree with but the way it has happend i personally dont want to associate with snitches. this will be my final yr in this world.

basebalguru PIMPS 3/20/2012 3:29 PM i will not make any deals and leave the team the way it is. i will still check on it daily and keep up with the daily maintenance of the team. i will not comment anymore on this matter or any other matter in the world chat.

basebalguru PIMPS 3/20/2012 3:24 PM yup snitches win this battle. in the long run all snitches well get whats coming to them. life works in funny ways.

I hate this friggin attitude. This kind of thinking is pure crap. Good to know that if this guy saw your daughter being raped, your house being robbed or your car being stolen he would not turn the person in cause telling the truth and helping protect us all is not important to him. Uneducated piece of garbage.

3/21/2012 8:08 AM

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Posted by tecwrg on 3/20/2012 10:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by greeny9 on 3/20/2012 10:33:00 PM (view original):
Really not even vaguely similar? he complained about a contract that he thought was bullshit, and apparently had the backing of the commish and several other owners. I had an absolutely bullshit contract that BOTH you and Tec (and many other owners) said was made to intentionally undermine the team. It sounds awfully similar to my ears. Except that obviously the contract that I inherited was unquestionably f'ed up, the SP in this situation isnt really all that bad, and Id say for the first season at least is worthy of that contract. Maybe not for 5 years though...
No, not even vaguely similar.

In the Mantle case, it was an "F U" contract extension issued to an aging and undeserving player, accompanied by releasing four other quality players with multiple years left on their contracts, by a disgruntled owner at the end of the season when he was informed that he was being booted for violating world rules.

In this case, it was a five year contract issued during the FA period during open bidding for a quality player. The signing owner left after one season and the new owner who inherited the player decided that he wanted to get out of the contract.

Not even vaguely similar.

Thank you Tec, you are demonstrating that this situation in its entirety is very different, that I took a team with a vastly more F'ed up history. I know I should have looked more closely at it before I took it. No questioning that, I admitted to that numerous times.

But the actions of me and the owner in this world in question remain to be basically the same (which is what I am arguing here) that we both asked to have a contract that was BS altered. Mine was absolutely more F'ed up then his, nobody can say it wasnt. I had more of an issue with the situation then this guy, and yet I had to go to EXTREME lengths to get the situation basically fixed, this guy asked and he received. This is what I am complaining about. WIS needs to develop a policy that makes sense and stick to it no matter what. And theres no question what I think that policy should be.

3/21/2012 8:44 AM

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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/20/2012 10:41:00 PM (view original):
You're giving low level support a lot of credit for "policy" compliance. Some schlub named Peggy said "Oh, OK, we can do that" and then someone higher up said "WTF are you doing?" My guess is the clown who shortened your deal isn't employed by WifS any longer. And, in all likelihood, Peggy won't be around long either.

This.

3/21/2012 8:50 AM

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No greeny, you're still missing the point.

The contract in your case was pure B.S. It was done in bad faith as a contract extension by an unhappy departing owner as a huge "F You!" to the world.

The contract in this case was not. It was a contract driven up during general FA bidding, presumably in good faith. Arguably an overpaid contract, but that's what happens during general free agency.

And stop with the "I had to go to EXTREME lengths to get the situation basically fixed" bullshit. What YOU did was create a huge ******* mess when you had a meltdown because ADMIN wouldn't cater to your demands, and then you bailed. I had to fix the mess you left behind.

I'm amazed that after all this time you are still even remotely trying to justify what you did.

3/21/2012 9:02 AM (edited)

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As I mentioned before, don't misinterpret the initial action as "policy".

Player acquired after roster expansion added to playoff roster by CS.
Trade voided by CS because offering owner had buyer's remorse.

3/21/2012 8:58 AM

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Here's what you deserve "credit" for:

Anyone who followed your thread knows that you can send a ticket and ask for a contract change. IF you get the right person in low level support, they'll do it. If you keep your yap shut, you might get away with it.

3/21/2012 9:18 AM

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It's a public world. I'm amazed we've got away without this bs for so long. I have the joy of sharing a division with the protagonists! But it's my first team so I'll wait it out. No one comes out of this with any credit.

3/21/2012 9:40 AM

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All,

In regards to this world and the contract modifications that have occurred. We received a ticket explaining the situation to us and we were told that the entire world and the commissioner backed the decision of modifying this contract. Given that information we went ahead and made the modification. Once the modification was made, several users began sending in support tickets saying that they did not back this decision. In the interest and fairness to the world we undid the change. We understand that we made a mistake initially, however, it is now corrected and the world can and should move forward.

In the future, the only time Customer Support will ever modify a contract for a user is if there is legitimate software bug or if an upset user begins to sign detrimental contracts that could corrupt a franchise.

3/21/2012 10:54 AM

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Posted by stevehoggett on 3/21/2012 4:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by rangerup on 3/20/2012 5:15:00 PM (view original):
Your a moron. He offered me the trade, not the other way around. But it isn't your world is it? Your just trying to incite a response like a moron.

Trade raping, while despicable in its own right, is not against the rules, and does not constitute GOD/Admin making changes that should never be made. The trade you are referring to was a fair one and one he offered to me originally. I didn't go after him.

But to answer your question, it is partly how I build my power house team. Through trades. Not solely but partly. It is not my responsibility to police another players trades....if I offer a crap trade to you and you accept, that is on you, not me.

No he did not offer you the trade. He offered you Montgomery and you sent him deal after deal trying to convince him it was a stellar idea to include a 19 year old pitcher with projections close to 100 in control, splits, pitches, and velocity (number one pick and possibly the best pitching prospect I've ever seen).

When he said no, you offered again and again. To the point where I had to tell you to stop trying to rape him. You then offered the same junk contracts to the other new owners. (Self disclosure: I brought 3 real life friends to the league and have been helping them learn the ropes- Naturally this leads to numerous accusations of me being a master sleuth signing up four teams with 4 credit cards, and scheming to keep elite prospects out of rangerups farm system).

I have refrained from posting for the sake of the league but what's one more day of our league being involved in a chat if it exposes you for being a hypocrite. The true reason Rangerup threatened to quit is not because of this contract change. It is because he has an aging team, with high contracts (110m) this season, and almost 70 committed to next season, almost 60 the next, and he has about 10 players due massive raises in arbitration, and some big name free agents coming up and he can not keep the team together forever. Also with a lot of owners beginning to favour younger cost control players he has few trade partners and he refuses to take 60-70cents on the dollar for his veterans. Sure his team is elite now, but it is falling a part quickly before his eyes and he wanted to keep the new owner trapped in a rough salary spot in order to continue his extortion attempts for the number one overall pick.

But I should stop running my mouth as I'm a newb to the world and this is Rangers world. He has been in it for almost 25% of its existance, his $15 means more than mine, and if thats not a good enough reason to keep my mouth shut how about because Ranger is the toughest, baddest guy on the internet who "lives in a world where there are rules that people have to follow" or else ranger will come knocking on their doorstep to give them a bruising.

There has never been a time in my WIS existance where I have been more petrified that I used my real name as my gamertag. Hopefully I don't run into 'rangerup' anytime soon. If that is infact your real name. Although that last sentence is retarded as noone as tough as yourself would ever hide behind an alias.

I will only refute this once. He offered me Monty (4 years/20M per) for my aging 3B that is still good (1 year/4M). Not a bad trade but obviously he was just trying to get rid of the guy's contract. I may have accepted had I needed the pitcher, but my staff is stacked and he may not have made the team, so I countered. I only countered once....and I included an SP1 Type A sure fire with one year on his contract, along with two other big league HOF Type A's for the huge contract plus the young phenom. The young phenom will be very good, but he is not the best pitching prospect ever seen, he will not even be the best in the world at any point in his career.

I made this offer willing to eat this huge contract but there had to be some payoff for me, and the young pitcher was it. He did not have to hit accept, that was up to him (he rejected it). He stood to A)get out of this contract, and B) obtain 6 first round picks for the deal. In return he would lose his #1 pick. His choice. Not a totally unreasonable counter in my opinion, although to be honest I would not have accepted it had I been him.

I made this offer once, not over and over again. He rejected it and it was over. At this point I start getting TC's from you stevehoggett berating me about trade rape. Your not even the guy I was dealing with. To be fair other owners in the league were also offering trades for the huge contract plus the young phenom, I was not the only one. Once it was rejected I moved on.

Turns out this guy is your real life friend, who you invited into our world and you are "giving him advice" and essentially running his team from your team. You have him petition site staff to change the contract once you could not dump it on someone and the rest is history.

One thing you are right about. This is Ranger's world. Glad you have finally figured that out. And if you think my team is aging, stick around (if you can stop running your mouth) and enjoy the show. I know exactly what my finances are moving into the future and will have no problem keeping the boys together, they are not old.

3/21/2012 12:19 PM (edited)

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And get over this garbage about using your real name. No one is coming after you. I'm one of the good guys, as evidence by not rolling over for a blatant disregard for the rules that you and your buddy tried to do. As one of the good guys, I only react when an injustice has been done and the situation is resolved now and I am moving on.

I don't instigate, I finish.

3/21/2012 12:28 PM

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Posted by patrickm885 on 3/21/2012 10:54:00 AM (view original):
All,

In regards to this world and the contract modifications that have occurred. We received a ticket explaining the situation to us and we were told that the entire world and the commissioner backed the decision of modifying this contract. Given that information we went ahead and made the modification. Once the modification was made, several users began sending in support tickets saying that they did not back this decision. In the interest and fairness to the world we undid the change. We understand that we made a mistake initially, however, it is now corrected and the world can and should move forward.

In the future, the only time Customer Support will ever modify a contract for a user is if there is legitimate software bug or if an upset user begins to sign detrimental contracts that could corrupt a franchise.

In the future, the only time Customer Support will ever modify a contract for a user is if there is legitimate software bug or if an upset user begins to sign detrimental contracts that could corrupt a franchise.

To Patrick, and any other user that cares to read this:

The actions that I took in Mantle will be viewed in whatever light that anybody wants to see, I dont care. I made those actions so that WIS would make the policy change that you have now made official with this statement. The situation I was in I assume would fall under this statement right? The previous owner made an absolutely insane signing (and released some major players) and when CS didnt want to at least make it a 1 yr contract let alone erasing it outright I went ballistic. You (anybody reading this) may or may not believe it, but its a fact (that I did what I did to improve the game). I am happy, if not proud to have been a contributing factor in you guys making this policy. Lord knows I have taken more then enough flak for it. But, I have thick skin, and this is after all the innerweb, and this is after all a game.

3/21/2012 12:38 PM (edited)

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Yes we all know 6 potential A compensation picks are worth the first overall. the old 6 for 1...great offer. Especially considering the majority of A comps are not first round picks they are 2nd or worse. so in fact you offered him 3 B supplementals and a long shot of gaining a first round pick after that.

I had so much more to type but Im still trying to get the wool out from over my eyes.

3/21/2012 12:40 PM

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Like I said, he offered first and he didn't have to accept the counter, and he didn't. I don't see why you are so angry over it all. Is it just because you tried to circumvent the rules for your friends own good (putting a negative on 30 other owners) and it didn't work? That seems selfish and childish.

3/21/2012 12:45 PM

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Posted by greeny9 on 3/21/2012 12:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by patrickm885 on 3/21/2012 10:54:00 AM (view original):
All,

In regards to this world and the contract modifications that have occurred. We received a ticket explaining the situation to us and we were told that the entire world and the commissioner backed the decision of modifying this contract. Given that information we went ahead and made the modification. Once the modification was made, several users began sending in support tickets saying that they did not back this decision. In the interest and fairness to the world we undid the change. We understand that we made a mistake initially, however, it is now corrected and the world can and should move forward.

In the future, the only time Customer Support will ever modify a contract for a user is if there is legitimate software bug or if an upset user begins to sign detrimental contracts that could corrupt a franchise.
In the future, the only time Customer Support will ever modify a contract for a user is if there is legitimate software bug or if an upset user begins to sign detrimental contracts that could corrupt a franchise.

To Patrick, and any other user that cares to read this:

The actions that I took in Mantle will be viewed in whatever light that anybody wants to see, I dont care. I made those actions so that WIS would make the policy change that you have now made official with this statement. The situation I was in I assume would fall under this statement right? The previous owner made an absolutely insane signing (and released some major players) and when CS didnt want to at least make it a 1 yr contract let alone erasing it outright I went ballistic. You (anybody reading this) may or may not believe it, but its a fact (that I did what I did to improve the game). I am happy, if not proud to have been a contributing factor in you guys making this policy. Lord knows I have taken more then enough flak for it. But, I have thick skin, and this is after all the innerweb, and this is after all a game.

You took on a team that you knew had been damaged without doing any additional research. You threw a tantrum when ADMIN balked at making more fixes than they already had done. You took actions that actually caused more damage than the previous owner had done, and then you jumped ship. Leaving me a huge freaking mess to clean up.

Yes, be happy, and be proud of what you did.

Jesus f-ing Christ, you are a piece of work. How the hell you can keep coming back to these forums and acting like you are a friggin' HERO for what you did is beyond comprehension. You need to STFU and stop trying to bring attention to yourself about this.

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3/21/2012 1:40 PM

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basebalguru	PIMPS	3/20/2012 3:29 PM	after this decision that WIS made which i do not disagree with but the way it has happend i personally dont want to associate with snitches. this will be my final yr in this world.
basebalguru	PIMPS	3/20/2012 3:29 PM	i will not make any deals and leave the team the way it is. i will still check on it daily and keep up with the daily maintenance of the team. i will not comment anymore on this matter or any other matter in the world chat.
basebalguru	PIMPS	3/20/2012 3:24 PM	yup snitches win this battle. in the long run all snitches well get whats coming to them. life works in funny ways.