etta, i understand what you are saying but you are totally wrong that we don't care about the kinds of activities mentioned here. the community puts a great deal of pressure on seble to crack down on collusion. apparently, the newer crowd even puts a great deal of pressure on him about multiple teams per world. i even have agreed that if i made a sim, i'd never allow 2 teams/world, but given how long it was allowed and how prevalent it is (even with teams outside 1000 miles, which is still totally ok per admin), its just not something you can butcher. you have to handle it gracefully. thats all im saying, i think thats all anyone is saying who has multiple teams. the game has changed, back when so many of us played multiple teams per worlds, the reasons to do so were greater, and the risks of cheating were much less. the target is moving, and i have no problem with that. i do have a problem with sebles approach. those are very different things.
back to the main point, the reason i thought people were too hard on tanner is because this was fairly widespread, and nobody else is being open about it to educate the newer coaches on how bad it can be - how bad it was. it would be a service to the board if tanner could share all the details of how it started, how it grew, how he got involved, etc... but that can't happen, because you all want to crucify him. its these instances exactly that make so many of us so hard lined on collusion. for what its worth, the guy who started this thread (nacho), he doesn't take that hard line approach. he says he follows the rules and i have no reason not to believe him, but he still would prefer a different system, and i think understanding where we came from, and the slipperiness of the slope, is important to understanding the position admin takes today - a position that is completely resultant from pressure from the (now veteran and retired) community. so to suggest we don't care is ridiculous. you are oversimplifying a complex issue, as you often do. its an important one and really i hope you will do it justice by thinking about it on a deeper level. similarly, if in a year or two, multiple teams are strictly prohibited (which would not surprise me at all), it will be a result of the efforts of the guys coaching today.
back to the main point again... i am in no way condoning the behavior of the tannermcc group, but, its so far in the past, its clear to me its far better to use it as an educational experience, than a punitive one - that accomplishes nothing, this group has already disbanded over half a decade ago. on the other hand, i'd bet half the coaches on here were unaware of the scale of collusion in the early sim - and of course, many still are. it would be valuable to the collective to hear these stories, but of course that can't happen - because this board reaction is 100% predictable. the reason you study history is to learn from it, not to assign blame, i think thats pretty clear cut...
5/10/2014 10:47 AM (edited)