"petty childish attempts at chest beating and random insults"

isn't every third post of yours "shhhhh background noise" because you lose every arguement you try and make and everyone hates you?

Constant "tweaks" in a dynasty game is a terrible idea. At least pertaining to gameplay. If that PF you just signed is going to be a force, you don't want him neutered by a "tweak" in his freshman season.

There are a few things, cosmetic I guess you'd call it, that should be fixed. Most noticeably the "Considering" list only showing 10 schools. There really is no logic to that. And I can't believe it's an involved program change that would affect many other aspects of the game.

Posted by CoachSpud on 3/31/2017 11:49:00 PM (view original):
LOL, Carlos, I forgot to add that you'd see not only impatience but bitterness, petty childish attempts at chest-beating, random insults and the like ... but you'll see for yourself. Welcome to the murky world of HD forums but also to the fun game of HD 3.0.

Been playing HD for over 10 years and although azzhats come and go, there are currently only 2 posters that have invaded the forums over the last 12 months that are considered forum cancers....Spudhole is one of them. When he is away, the animosity on the forums disappears.

Posted by 0nly on 3/31/2017 11:53:00 PM (view original):
"petty childish attempts at chest beating and random insults"

isn't every third post of yours "shhhhh background noise" because you lose every arguement you try and make and everyone hates you?

Grats on your undefeated championship Mr Background noise!!

Whoa whoa whoa! I thought I was Mr Background noise! This is bogus!

Just for kicks ... here's another thread and post from cwiz on the next set of "changes" coming to HD, it's from six months ago.

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=496808:

The next set of changes are coming to HD, and these set of changes will be focused on the job process.

Before we get started we would like to hear your thoughts or concerns on the current issues that you see exist, so that we can get a better feel on what needs extra look at. This can be anything from the firing logic, to the logic to determine if you are qualified or not for a job, or anything else that is related to the job process.

Please keep this thread strictly on these concerns only.
Thank you.
10/6/2016 10:04 AM

Mike - I understand that tweaks to the game (on production) is a terrible idea. you would first want to validate any changes on beta anyway. My point is that people also try to solution for things before really gathering all of the discovery necessary and understanding the opportunity / pain point. There a multiple solutions to problems. Some great, some terrible, but the only way you are able to do that is experimenting in beta.

There are the normal cosmetic fixes, and bugs that need to be ironed out.

The priority for WIS can only be determined by them. They have the metrics that back up who is playing this game still, how many new users joined, how many were retained and how many were lost to this new update.

I think if someone came out and said, listen guys, resources are limited, we are gathering feedback, we are tweaking in beta some changes that we feel are priority (for retention or gaining new membership, etc or whatever) - you won't get a lot of complaints because this product is fun as it is. It can only get better. Especially if you are engaging the user that is playing this game. As was mentioned, there are users with tons of teams, and you could get volunteers to play beta worlds to test your experiments.

I think it's just a communication thing that might easily be solved by giving users credits to play and give them mod priveledge on the forums (again multiple solutions to every problem but you get the idea). Wis has to determine that this is a problem though. Maybe they don't.

Posted by carlos3652 on 4/1/2017 8:23:00 AM (view original):
Mike - I understand that tweaks to the game (on production) is a terrible idea. you would first want to validate any changes on beta anyway. My point is that people also try to solution for things before really gathering all of the discovery necessary and understanding the opportunity / pain point. There a multiple solutions to problems. Some great, some terrible, but the only way you are able to do that is experimenting in beta.

There are the normal cosmetic fixes, and bugs that need to be ironed out.

The priority for WIS can only be determined by them. They have the metrics that back up who is playing this game still, how many new users joined, how many were retained and how many were lost to this new update.

I think if someone came out and said, listen guys, resources are limited, we are gathering feedback, we are tweaking in beta some changes that we feel are priority (for retention or gaining new membership, etc or whatever) - you won't get a lot of complaints because this product is fun as it is. It can only get better. Especially if you are engaging the user that is playing this game. As was mentioned, there are users with tons of teams, and you could get volunteers to play beta worlds to test your experiments.

I think it's just a communication thing that might easily be solved by giving users credits to play and give them mod priveledge on the forums (again multiple solutions to every problem but you get the idea). Wis has to determine that this is a problem though. Maybe they don't.

These are nice ideas, I was just recently thinking how nice it would be if WIS ran an ongoing beta to continually test out new ideas. But, nice as they are (I don't mean to be overly pessimistic) I also don't think WIS will ever commit the resources to things like this. Probably for one of the reasons below:

1) They don't care;
2) They don't have the time;
3) They are content with the game and don't think anything is broken or needs fixing;
4) They believe this product serves a limited niche market the will never grow exponentially and thus doesn't warrant the cost expenditures needed

It could be a combination of the above, or my list could be entirely incomplete and there are other factors and reasons. Nevertheless, I don't think you're ever going to see the resources and attention committed to this game that tzentmeyer suggested in his pinned thread.

Less than 50% of what I said is true? Okay, let's break it down.

1. Spud uses secret alt IDs for some weird reason. True
https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=497735&threadID=11065601#l_11065601

2. Spud got busted by theWizard when he stupidly answered a question using his alt ID l80r20 and then tried to play dumb and pretend like it never happened. True
https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=500354&threadID=11141687#l_11141687

3.It was hilarious. VERY True.
https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=500354&threadID=11141726#l_11141726

4.He uses the CoachSpud ID purely to troll. True
https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=497735&threadID=11065601#l_11065601

5. It's common forum knowledge. True
https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=497862&threadID=11068984#l_11068984

There you go, bevis, thanks for making my point again. See, 20% is less than 50% ... or is it 0% is less than 50%? Hmmm, that's a close call.

Carlos, welcome to the forums and welcome back to HD. It sure will be good to have another responsible voice here.

Sure Spud. Sure.

Posted by possumfiend on 4/1/2017 8:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by carlos3652 on 4/1/2017 8:23:00 AM (view original):
Mike - I understand that tweaks to the game (on production) is a terrible idea. you would first want to validate any changes on beta anyway. My point is that people also try to solution for things before really gathering all of the discovery necessary and understanding the opportunity / pain point. There a multiple solutions to problems. Some great, some terrible, but the only way you are able to do that is experimenting in beta.

There are the normal cosmetic fixes, and bugs that need to be ironed out.

The priority for WIS can only be determined by them. They have the metrics that back up who is playing this game still, how many new users joined, how many were retained and how many were lost to this new update.

I think if someone came out and said, listen guys, resources are limited, we are gathering feedback, we are tweaking in beta some changes that we feel are priority (for retention or gaining new membership, etc or whatever) - you won't get a lot of complaints because this product is fun as it is. It can only get better. Especially if you are engaging the user that is playing this game. As was mentioned, there are users with tons of teams, and you could get volunteers to play beta worlds to test your experiments.

I think it's just a communication thing that might easily be solved by giving users credits to play and give them mod priveledge on the forums (again multiple solutions to every problem but you get the idea). Wis has to determine that this is a problem though. Maybe they don't.

These are nice ideas, I was just recently thinking how nice it would be if WIS ran an ongoing beta to continually test out new ideas. But, nice as they are (I don't mean to be overly pessimistic) I also don't think WIS will ever commit the resources to things like this. Probably for one of the reasons below:

1) They don't care;
2) They don't have the time;
3) They are content with the game and don't think anything is broken or needs fixing;
4) They believe this product serves a limited niche market the will never grow exponentially and thus doesn't warrant the cost expenditures needed

It could be a combination of the above, or my list could be entirely incomplete and there are other factors and reasons. Nevertheless, I don't think you're ever going to see the resources and attention committed to this game that tzentmeyer suggested in his pinned thread.

I'll respond to both of you.

There is a profit issue. Someone did the math the other day and, for the most part, HD might bring in 250k a year. With the limited amount of attention paid to it, most of that is probably profit. However, considering that WifS is owned by FOX, that's a fly on the hippo's ***. They could dedicate more resources and hope to increase the number of users. Now, to that point, I believe it's a limited market. For years, each world has had around 300 teams. Then they did a massive update, probably putting a big dent in profit due to the resources required, and they're right back to each world having 300 teams.

IMO, HD doesn't warrant massive attention from FOX. It's not a big money product and even the user with 10 teams(one in each world) is sending them $20 a week. So we can *****, moan and complain, or maybe even have a good idea every now and then, but we're simply not that important to the powers that be. Therefore the people who are "on the fence" about continuing on just aren't nearly as important as they think they are. They're $2-$20 a week to a company that deals in millions.

Pretty much agree with that analysis completely. One added point for anyone who might not think it's a limited market is that look at how many of FOX sports fantasy sports competitors have jumped into the sim game market to pick up where WIS has fallen down.

Posted by possumfiend on 3/31/2017 6:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/31/2017 6:40:00 PM (view original):
They have a team. We have no idea if they're dedicated to WifS' product or work under the FOX Sports umbrella which includes countless fantasy games and who knows what else.

None of us have any idea who answers tickets. But most of us believe low level support is terrible.

When seble was in charge of HD on several occasions he indicated he was working on other fantasy games that fall under the FOX Sports Interactive Media umbrella (I.e., fantasy baseball, fantasy football). Sometimes for very long periods of time. So I don't think any of these admin guys are 100% dedicated to HD

This is in fact the case. I know someone who works there and he has told me before that they may go weeks to months and not even work on anything WIS let alone HD. I would probably guess any of the time the put to WIS would probably be toward HB since basketball is about finished and baseball about to start. They clearly do not have the resources to support these games, well my opinion anyway.

Posted by cmac4567 on 4/1/2017 12:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by possumfiend on 3/31/2017 6:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/31/2017 6:40:00 PM (view original):
They have a team. We have no idea if they're dedicated to WifS' product or work under the FOX Sports umbrella which includes countless fantasy games and who knows what else.

None of us have any idea who answers tickets. But most of us believe low level support is terrible.

When seble was in charge of HD on several occasions he indicated he was working on other fantasy games that fall under the FOX Sports Interactive Media umbrella (I.e., fantasy baseball, fantasy football). Sometimes for very long periods of time. So I don't think any of these admin guys are 100% dedicated to HD

This is in fact the case. I know someone who works there and he has told me before that they may go weeks to months and not even work on anything WIS let alone HD. I would probably guess any of the time the put to WIS would probably be toward HB since basketball is about finished and baseball about to start. They clearly do not have the resources to support these games, well my opinion anyway.

Yeah, I think they do not have the staff to work on these games. And it's not really that they don't know it does not work well, somethings need to be fixed, it's more like they work on other stuff and don't have time for this.