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Posted by bronxcheer on 6/12/2020 12:30:00 PM (view original):
:)
6/12/2020 12:32 PM
sorry bro you hate whitey

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6/12/2020 12:34 PM
I sure do hate white supremacism, you got that right.
6/12/2020 12:49 PM
Posted by coreander on 6/12/2020 12:16:00 PM (view original):
So you have a problem with BLM leadership? Very telling...
I think I'm on the record as not supporting BLM. If not, I am now.

I think their rhetoric is dangerous and has led to dozens, if not hundreds of unnecessary deaths, and hundreds, if not thousands, of unnecessary imprisonments, as a result of increasingly adversarial interactions between blacks and police.

I think their policy demands are dangerous and would result of thousands of unnecessary additional deaths in black communities if enacted, along with increases in virtually all other forms of crime. I also think they distract from more important areas of policy that could do more to help underserved communities in general, such as police retraining and a new educational initiative to provide greater opportunity to people growing up in poverty.

I think their protests during a pandemic are dangerous and will result in a number of deaths in the next few months that will take the police many years to catch up to.

Perhaps most importantly, I think their rhetoric and embrace of far-left policy recommendations at the top level push a reactionary response from conservatives and centrists. For example, the extreme negative reaction to the "all lives matter" counter. I recognize that most people saying ALM were coming from a racist place. I also fully understand why BLM rejected his rhetoric. But I also know that a huge majority of Americans - almost certainly including you - don't bother reading opinion articles they don't agree with. They read headlines and tweets and listen to soundbites. If the headline is "BLM leaders reject the statement that all lives matter," and you're a moderate white, how does that make you feel about BLM? You're not reading the content. BLM is a movement designed to appeal only to people who already wholeheartedly supported it in the first pace; it pushes away moderates and conservatives. The last two Republican nominees before Trump were the most socially liberal the party had nominated in decades. I believe that BLM played a role in the movement of the Republican party towards leadership embracing racist and xenophobic rhetoric.

If someone like tang wants to discuss any of these points I'm happy to do so. But as I said earlier, I frankly don't think anything you say is likely to be worth my time.
6/12/2020 1:11 PM
my supremacy

mine



i am such a dominant slave owner
6/12/2020 1:16 PM
lookit dahs write a one hour speech

lemme tell you

BLM in my life will always be Bureau Of Land Management
6/12/2020 1:18 PM
Posted by dahsdebater on 6/12/2020 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by coreander on 6/12/2020 12:16:00 PM (view original):
So you have a problem with BLM leadership? Very telling...
I think I'm on the record as not supporting BLM. If not, I am now.

I think their rhetoric is dangerous and has led to dozens, if not hundreds of unnecessary deaths, and hundreds, if not thousands, of unnecessary imprisonments, as a result of increasingly adversarial interactions between blacks and police.

I think their policy demands are dangerous and would result of thousands of unnecessary additional deaths in black communities if enacted, along with increases in virtually all other forms of crime. I also think they distract from more important areas of policy that could do more to help underserved communities in general, such as police retraining and a new educational initiative to provide greater opportunity to people growing up in poverty.

I think their protests during a pandemic are dangerous and will result in a number of deaths in the next few months that will take the police many years to catch up to.

Perhaps most importantly, I think their rhetoric and embrace of far-left policy recommendations at the top level push a reactionary response from conservatives and centrists. For example, the extreme negative reaction to the "all lives matter" counter. I recognize that most people saying ALM were coming from a racist place. I also fully understand why BLM rejected his rhetoric. But I also know that a huge majority of Americans - almost certainly including you - don't bother reading opinion articles they don't agree with. They read headlines and tweets and listen to soundbites. If the headline is "BLM leaders reject the statement that all lives matter," and you're a moderate white, how does that make you feel about BLM? You're not reading the content. BLM is a movement designed to appeal only to people who already wholeheartedly supported it in the first pace; it pushes away moderates and conservatives. The last two Republican nominees before Trump were the most socially liberal the party had nominated in decades. I believe that BLM played a role in the movement of the Republican party towards leadership embracing racist and xenophobic rhetoric.

If someone like tang wants to discuss any of these points I'm happy to do so. But as I said earlier, I frankly don't think anything you say is likely to be worth my time.
How come you have such bad opinions? :)
6/12/2020 1:23 PM
his opinions are no better or worse than yours, dude. You (and I) may not agree with his opinions, but they are just as valid as our opinions. In the few posts of yours I've bothered to read you come across as a self righteous *****. May not be the case, but that's the wya you come across to me. Not that you care, nor should you. Just my opinion, likely a bad one in your view.
6/12/2020 1:58 PM
Posted by bagchucker on 6/12/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):
lookit dahs write a one hour speech

lemme tell you

BLM in my life will always be Bureau Of Land Management
THIS!!!

It's where I spend a daggone good portion of my free time recreating.
6/12/2020 2:23 PM
Posted by coreander on 6/12/2020 1:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 6/12/2020 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by coreander on 6/12/2020 12:16:00 PM (view original):
So you have a problem with BLM leadership? Very telling...
I think I'm on the record as not supporting BLM. If not, I am now.

I think their rhetoric is dangerous and has led to dozens, if not hundreds of unnecessary deaths, and hundreds, if not thousands, of unnecessary imprisonments, as a result of increasingly adversarial interactions between blacks and police.

I think their policy demands are dangerous and would result of thousands of unnecessary additional deaths in black communities if enacted, along with increases in virtually all other forms of crime. I also think they distract from more important areas of policy that could do more to help underserved communities in general, such as police retraining and a new educational initiative to provide greater opportunity to people growing up in poverty.

I think their protests during a pandemic are dangerous and will result in a number of deaths in the next few months that will take the police many years to catch up to.

Perhaps most importantly, I think their rhetoric and embrace of far-left policy recommendations at the top level push a reactionary response from conservatives and centrists. For example, the extreme negative reaction to the "all lives matter" counter. I recognize that most people saying ALM were coming from a racist place. I also fully understand why BLM rejected his rhetoric. But I also know that a huge majority of Americans - almost certainly including you - don't bother reading opinion articles they don't agree with. They read headlines and tweets and listen to soundbites. If the headline is "BLM leaders reject the statement that all lives matter," and you're a moderate white, how does that make you feel about BLM? You're not reading the content. BLM is a movement designed to appeal only to people who already wholeheartedly supported it in the first pace; it pushes away moderates and conservatives. The last two Republican nominees before Trump were the most socially liberal the party had nominated in decades. I believe that BLM played a role in the movement of the Republican party towards leadership embracing racist and xenophobic rhetoric.

If someone like tang wants to discuss any of these points I'm happy to do so. But as I said earlier, I frankly don't think anything you say is likely to be worth my time.
How come you have such bad opinions? :)
How come you "run your mouth" about sheit so much?
Do you have lots of varied life experience and wisdom garnered?

Please splain.
6/12/2020 2:25 PM
This is funny
6/12/2020 2:32 PM
Posted by Guitarguy567 on 6/12/2020 2:32:00 PM (view original):
This is funny
Dino27 is funny.

I read the first page...and Don't wanna read anymore.

Question: has anyone mentioned the student with whom the Prof was e-mailing was white?
6/12/2020 4:14 PM
Well Dahs, you did invite the challenge. I'll take a swing at this.

I think their rhetoric is dangerous and has led to dozens, if not hundreds of unnecessary deaths, and hundreds, if not thousands, of unnecessary imprisonments, as a result of increasingly adversarial interactions between blacks and police.

I would like to see you explain this. What specific rhetoric are you talking about, and what are you referencing? I'm not sure I understand this argument. Are you saying that BLM has made black people more upset with the police, and made them aware of the issues that they have in their own communities with policing? Or are you specifically referring to protests?

I think their policy demands are dangerous and would result of thousands of unnecessary additional deaths in black communities if enacted, along with increases in virtually all other forms of crime. I also think they distract from more important areas of policy that could do more to help underserved communities in general, such as police retraining and a new educational initiative to provide greater opportunity to people growing up in poverty.

I would suggest being careful when saying "their policy demands." BLM isn't a centralized movement, and doesn't really have a leader. Furthermore, I would bet that over the long run, defunding the police will still not be a mainstream idea, even within BLM. It's not a core part of the movement. I can point to policies that have come as a result of BLM that I believe to be positive - body cameras, for instance, became mainstream after Ferguson. BLM has also made pushes for sentencing reform and demilitarization of police. I'm going to agree that there are a myriad of solutions to the problem, many of which aren't sexy enough for protests, but I also don't believe that it's fair to disagree with an entire movement over a minority opinion.

I think their protests during a pandemic are dangerous and will result in a number of deaths in the next few months that will take the police many years to catch up to.

Yeah, probably. In defense of BLM, the protests are, by and large, outside, and most there wear masks. It's unfortunate to protest during a pandemic.

Perhaps most importantly, I think their rhetoric and embrace of far-left policy recommendations at the top level push a reactionary response from conservatives and centrists. For example, the extreme negative reaction to the "all lives matter" counter. I recognize that most people saying ALM were coming from a racist place. I also fully understand why BLM rejected his rhetoric. But I also know that a huge majority of Americans - almost certainly including you - don't bother reading opinion articles they don't agree with.

On a literal level, I don't disagree with your argument here. HOWEVER, I wouldn't blame BLM for this. The entirety of the blame goes on the reactionary right. Sure, protesters could answer questions better. Overall, though, the concept of Black Lives Matter isn't exactly disagreeable. I would be interested in hearing what you think a better protest surrounding police brutality and racism in the criminal justice system would look like; more specifically, how it could be framed to avoid resentment from reactionaries.

On a meta/political level, I think BLM will end up being a positive force in the fight for criminal justice reform. Even calls to defund the police are good in the larger political context, so long as it remains a minority opinion. It's all about the overton window. Mild reforms, like the Dem bill in Congress, look a lot better when you have people on the extremes.

6/12/2020 4:21 PM
HA HA! The reactionary right is to blame?

You got Democrat governors in BLUE states with Democrat mayors and Democrat police chiefs.

Democrat riots and Democrat looting by Democrats.

HA! HA!
6/12/2020 4:26 PM
Posted by wylie715 on 6/12/2020 1:58:00 PM (view original):
his opinions are no better or worse than yours, dude. You (and I) may not agree with his opinions, but they are just as valid as our opinions. In the few posts of yours I've bothered to read you come across as a self righteous *****. May not be the case, but that's the wya you come across to me. Not that you care, nor should you. Just my opinion, likely a bad one in your view.
Why would you assume that I'm a "dude"?
6/12/2020 6:19 PM
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