Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.

It's not a matter of "liking" how it works, it's a matter of preposterous results like a pitcher who should yield a .250 batting average having a sim season where he yields a batting average over .500 in 140 innings with an ERA in the 20s.

Maybe that can happen in 14 innings, but not in 140 innings.

As for 536 HRs, maybe that can happen in Coors Field with a DH and a lineup of the right seasons of McGwire, Hornsby, A-Rod, A-Rod, Bonds, Sosa, Judge and another McGwire at DH, but there would have to be no salary cap, and who were the other teams drafting?

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.

It's not a matter of "liking" how it works, it's a matter of preposterous results like a pitcher who should yield a .250 batting average having a sim season where he yields a batting average over .500 in 140 innings with an ERA in the 20s.

Maybe that can happen in 14 innings, but not in 140 innings.

As for 536 HRs, maybe that can happen in Coors Field with a DH and a lineup of the right seasons of McGwire, Hornsby, A-Rod, A-Rod, Bonds, Sosa, Judge and another McGwire at DH, but there would have to be no salary cap, and who were the other teams drafting?

Just4me is correct - don’t judge pitchers on their worst. Look at their average and best to get an idea of what to expect. Worst is always someone who drsfted way too few IP and pitched extremely fatigued

Posted by just4me on 12/8/2022 12:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.

What's the details on the 536 HRs?

What park, who did you have, and I guess no salary cap?

The details are linked here: https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=525449&threadID=12388128#l_12388128, it was an OL team.

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 1:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.

It's not a matter of "liking" how it works, it's a matter of preposterous results like a pitcher who should yield a .250 batting average having a sim season where he yields a batting average over .500 in 140 innings with an ERA in the 20s.

Maybe that can happen in 14 innings, but not in 140 innings.

As for 536 HRs, maybe that can happen in Coors Field with a DH and a lineup of the right seasons of McGwire, Hornsby, A-Rod, A-Rod, Bonds, Sosa, Judge and another McGwire at DH, but there would have to be no salary cap, and who were the other teams drafting?

Just4me is correct - don’t judge pitchers on their worst. Look at their average and best to get an idea of what to expect. Worst is always someone who drsfted way too few IP and pitched extremely fatigued

Okay, so his average season shows a batting average yielded of .300, but that is distorted because of the real bad seasons by owners who stop even looking at the team after they realize their team sucks early on, and the fatigue runs wild?

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 1:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by just4me on 12/8/2022 12:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.

What's the details on the 536 HRs?

What park, who did you have, and I guess no salary cap?

The details are linked here: https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=525449&threadID=12388128#l_12388128, it was an OL team.

How is 22 Judge less than 10 million?

From the salaries I've seen on other all time great season he should be like 20 million.

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 1:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 1:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by just4me on 12/8/2022 12:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.

What's the details on the 536 HRs?

What park, who did you have, and I guess no salary cap?

The details are linked here: https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=525449&threadID=12388128#l_12388128, it was an OL team.

How is 22 Judge less than 10 million?

From the salaries I've seen on other all time great season he should be like 20 million.

two reasons:

1) is dynamic pricing. Years ago it was instituted and the more a player was used, the more his salary increased. 1921 Ruth costs $26.7m - but his ACTUAL salary is $17.8m. Dyamic pricing increased his cost by $9m. They stopped dynamic pricing after 2016 I believe - so all players 2017-2022 are at their ACTUAL salary and have no dynamic pricing (which is why you can find a lot of "cookies" from those seasons as you can get quality hitters and pitchers who haven't had their cost increased significantly.

2) is normalization. His raw stats in 2022 were phenomenal - but when you normalize it, he's more in line to 1967 Carl Yastremski than he is Ruth or Bonds.

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 1:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 1:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by just4me on 12/8/2022 12:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 12/8/2022 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Here is what I recommend to all new owners. For your first team - build however you want.

Once the league starts you can view all rosters for the other teams. Watch the teams that perform very well - look at their teams and see what they're doing.

There are a lot of ways to win. I've won 110 games from a team that was built around stolen bases (my best is just under 1300SB), 31013 just won 90+ games while hitting 536HR and giving up 264 and an ERA over 6! Play how you wanna play - but things make sense if you take the time to learn this game.

And as others have said - if you dont enjoy it, that's fine - but it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game just cause you don't like how it works.

What's the details on the 536 HRs?

What park, who did you have, and I guess no salary cap?

The details are linked here: https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=525449&threadID=12388128#l_12388128, it was an OL team.

How is 22 Judge less than 10 million?

From the salaries I've seen on other all time great season he should be like 20 million.

two reasons:

1) is dynamic pricing. Years ago it was instituted and the more a player was used, the more his salary increased. 1921 Ruth costs $26.7m - but his ACTUAL salary is $17.8m. Dyamic pricing increased his cost by $9m. They stopped dynamic pricing after 2016 I believe - so all players 2017-2022 are at their ACTUAL salary and have no dynamic pricing (which is why you can find a lot of "cookies" from those seasons as you can get quality hitters and pitchers who haven't had their cost increased significantly.

2) is normalization. His raw stats in 2022 were phenomenal - but when you normalize it, he's more in line to 1967 Carl Yastremski than he is Ruth or Bonds.

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 12/8/2022 12:53:00 AM (view original):
On Diamond Mine I feel like the clone option is way more realistic. For instance, the second Altuve will always perform half the level of the first. I don't like how clones perform irrespective of each other here. It seems unrealistic.

Posted by d_rock97 on 12/8/2022 3:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 12/8/2022 12:53:00 AM (view original):
On Diamond Mine I feel like the clone option is way more realistic. For instance, the second Altuve will always perform half the level of the first. I don't like how clones perform irrespective of each other here. It seems unrealistic.

I fail to understand how this is the better way to go about it. 99 and 2000 Pedro, for instance, are the two greatest pitching seasons of all time. Small sample size aside, why is it preferable that they don’t simulate that way, just because you have another Pedro in the rotation

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 4:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by d_rock97 on 12/8/2022 3:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 12/8/2022 12:53:00 AM (view original):
On Diamond Mine I feel like the clone option is way more realistic. For instance, the second Altuve will always perform half the level of the first. I don't like how clones perform irrespective of each other here. It seems unrealistic.

I fail to understand how this is the better way to go about it. 99 and 2000 Pedro, for instance, are the two greatest pitching seasons of all time. Small sample size aside, why is it preferable that they don’t simulate that way, just because you have another Pedro in the rotation

First of all, they are NOT the 2 greatest pitching seasons of all time. 2000 is close to the greatest starting pitcher season of all time ON A PER INNING BASIS, but Pedro did not pitch near enough innings for it to be the greatest pitching season of all time.

Pedro's 217 innings with an ERA+ of 291 is not near as good as Walter Johnson's 1913 season with 346 innings with an ERA+ of 259.

Basically, with 1913 Johnson you get Pedro's season PLUS another 129 innings with an ERA+ of over 200.

Not counting 19th century seasons where several seasons were even more valuable than 1913 Johnson due to guys throwing over 600 innings, the best season since 1900 is 1913 Walter Johnson with a Pitching WAR of 15.1. Pedro's 2000 season comes in at 11.7 WAR and is not even the best of the live ball era (1920 to now). Here are the seasons in the live ball era that beat 2000 Pedro.

PLAYER.......AGE..WAR..YEAR..INNINGS

Dwight Gooden (20)

12.2

1985

276.2

Steve Carlton+ (27)

12.1

1972

346.1

Pete Alexander+ (33)

11.9

1920

363.1

Roger Clemens (34)

11.9

1997

264.0

Wilbur Wood (29)

11.8

1971

334.

Pedro Martinez+ (28)

11.7

2000

217.0

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So 2000 Pedro is close to the best ever PER INNING, but his relatively low innings total for a pitcher that great drops his value below the guys shown above, who all pitched a lot more innings than Pedro.

Posted by savoybg on 12/8/2022 4:45:00 PM (view original):
I don't care about "impressive," I care about actual value. Wilbur Wood's ERA in 1971 was 1.91. That's not exactly quantity with no quality. How many pitchers from 1920 on ever had an ERA under 2.00 and an ERA+ of 189 with over 330 innings?