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Posted by beachhouse on 12/30/2022 6:51:00 AM (view original):
I am going to say I couldn't resist Brand; I'll make it work money wise.
His defense and orebounding is solid. He’s been going in the 50s and 60s the last couple drafts so a pretty big steal as well.
12/30/2022 10:47 AM (edited)
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The Team so far:
Player Position Usage% eFG% 3PM FT% OReb% DReb% Ast% Tov% FL per 48 Def MPG
20-21 Jaylen Brown PG 29.7 55.8 186 76.4 3.6 14.5 11.4 11.5 4.0 55 28
81-82 Julius Erving SG 28.1 54.7 3 76.3 9.3 12.9 12.6 11.4 3.9 100 34
17-18 Al Horford* SF 18.4 55.3 97 78.3 4.7 19.0 18.8 14.1 2.9 80 28
Vacant PF - - - - - - - - - - -
66-67 Wilt Chamberlain C 18.5 68.7 0 44.1 16.5 26.9 17.1 19.4 1.9 90 46
89-90 Magic Johnson 6th man PG,SG 24.8 52.6 106 89.0 4.8 13.8 35.8 16.9 2.7 69 36
Vacant 7th man SF?SF/PF?C? - - - - - - - - - - -
Totals, Averages, and Ranges - 89.8-94.7 57.4 392 68.1 34.1-35.3 72.6-74.2 59.9-84.3 14.8 11.4-12.7 73.5-84.8 172


I put these graphs together for my own benefit as well as just to share my stat/team building process.
What I did well so far: Rebounding and efficiency is pretty above average I think. I have more tov% then I usually like but my really good rebounding should balance that out. I also really like the 3 man rotation of DR J, Magic, and J. Brown. I am golden on Ast%, no penalty for me thank you.
What I did not do well so far: My FT% is atrocious and I am bare minimum on 3s so far.
What I need?: I need some more above average rebounding and some more 3s. I think I can get that but my next picks are the very last picks in the draft so we will see what scraps you leave me.

*Horford will see his stats dip somewhat only being 98% effective at SF, but I imagine the drop to be inconsequential.
12/30/2022 10:29 AM
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I loved that Al horford season sam it’s only really light on oreb but Erving at sg makes up for that big time. I believe he out shot his 3 point numbers on my last team and only played sf. It feels like 98/99% are almost irrelevant
12/30/2022 10:46 AM (edited)
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Posted by steelers821 on 12/30/2022 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Posted by beachhouse on 12/30/2022 6:51:00 AM (view original):
I am going to say I couldn't resist Brand; I'll make it work money wise.
Is defense me orebounding is solid. He’s been going in the 50s and 60s the last couple drafts so a pretty big steal as well.
Huge steal in round 5. Dude is super efficient on Offense too. I know his eFG% isn't "elite" but his Tov% is super low for someone with his usage%. He was my primary scorer the one time I won this league once upon a time.
12/30/2022 10:35 AM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/29/2022 7:06:00 PM (view original):
The modern game with all the threes has ruined most old timers from being effective in these kind of leagues. Nobody even wants Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, etc. The instructions say that old timers get their shooting percentages normalized for the modern game, but I guess that's not true. A player shooting 48% in the early 60s was way above league average, but here he stinks.

I'd like to see leagues here have an option whether or not to even have 3 pointers. Especially the Decade League for the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Would change the whole thinking on many of the players that are coveted if we ran THIS league with no 3 pointers. Nobody would even want some of these players if there were no 3 pointers, and Curry would still be a very good player, but nowhere near what he is with 3 pointers legal. Without 3 pointers Curry would be less valuable than most of the top PGs of the 60s.

The league played for 30 yesrs with no 3 pointers. That should be an option for Private leagues at least.
They do get bumps but a lot of time it’s not big enough to matter. It helps Russell I feel like. Look at his 2pt% vs efg. 2pt% is how it’s measured. One of the guys you named almost always gets picked btw so relax on the names please. I feel like there high mins and high price are sometimes a factor.
12/30/2022 11:12 AM
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Posted by steelers821 on 12/29/2022 6:23:00 PM (view original):
Savoy I think most people would rather have a player with 46 efg and 14% usage like Russell over Haywood who has 25% usg for 49 efg. High fts and ft% is very useful but most players never get close to there usual ft numbers especially once’s from the 60s/70s. The rebounding is good and the defense is mediocre.
66 is mediocre?

Did you ever study math?

66 would be 2/3 up the scale.
12/30/2022 11:52 AM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/30/2022 11:52:00 AM (view original):
Posted by steelers821 on 12/29/2022 6:23:00 PM (view original):
Savoy I think most people would rather have a player with 46 efg and 14% usage like Russell over Haywood who has 25% usg for 49 efg. High fts and ft% is very useful but most players never get close to there usual ft numbers especially once’s from the 60s/70s. The rebounding is good and the defense is mediocre.
66 is mediocre?

Did you ever study math?

66 would be 2/3 up the scale.
We’ve been over this before so I won’t explain again why 66 defense isn’t good.
12/30/2022 11:54 AM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/30/2022 11:52:00 AM (view original):
Posted by steelers821 on 12/29/2022 6:23:00 PM (view original):
Savoy I think most people would rather have a player with 46 efg and 14% usage like Russell over Haywood who has 25% usg for 49 efg. High fts and ft% is very useful but most players never get close to there usual ft numbers especially once’s from the 60s/70s. The rebounding is good and the defense is mediocre.
66 is mediocre?

Did you ever study math?

66 would be 2/3 up the scale.
What is the lowest defense that would be taken in this league? Probably around 30. Do that math please? I explained this in ODL chat for last season to you.
12/30/2022 1:22 PM
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If Haywood shot less he might be draftable in the later rounds but he puts up too many shots that don't go into the basket.

And 66 D with his rebounding rate I think is appropriate for where you drafted him I just think his inefficient offense (relative to the other players in the league) hurts his value.

I think Elton Brand, a comparable usage player, would have been a great option for you. And he doesn't shoot all those pesky threes you don't like either lol
12/30/2022 1:28 PM
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Posted by PBandJ on 12/30/2022 1:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 12/30/2022 11:52:00 AM (view original):
Posted by steelers821 on 12/29/2022 6:23:00 PM (view original):
Savoy I think most people would rather have a player with 46 efg and 14% usage like Russell over Haywood who has 25% usg for 49 efg. High fts and ft% is very useful but most players never get close to there usual ft numbers especially once’s from the 60s/70s. The rebounding is good and the defense is mediocre.
66 is mediocre?

Did you ever study math?

66 would be 2/3 up the scale.
What is the lowest defense that would be taken in this league? Probably around 30. Do that math please? I explained this in ODL chat for last season to you.
66 might be on the low end IN THIS LEAGUE, but it's not mediocre.
12/30/2022 1:43 PM
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Mediocre: of only moderate quality; not very good.
12/30/2022 1:57 PM
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Posted by steelers821 on 12/30/2022 1:57:00 PM (view original):
Mediocre: of only moderate quality; not very good.
Mediocre is near average AT BEST, which would be a 50. To be a negative a defender would have to be bad enough that the guy he is defending will shoot a higher % against him than he normally shoots against the league. A 66 defender will still lower his man's shooting % some.

I'd put a mediocre defender at between 45 and 55 in this sim. A 66 is a decent or pretty good defender in my eyes. That may be below average in this league, but not overall.
12/30/2022 2:13 PM
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Savoy I hope you realize your team will be entered in this league
12/30/2022 2:19 PM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/30/2022 1:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by PBandJ on 12/30/2022 1:22:00 PM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 12/30/2022 11:52:00 AM (view original):
Posted by steelers821 on 12/29/2022 6:23:00 PM (view original):
Savoy I think most people would rather have a player with 46 efg and 14% usage like Russell over Haywood who has 25% usg for 49 efg. High fts and ft% is very useful but most players never get close to there usual ft numbers especially once’s from the 60s/70s. The rebounding is good and the defense is mediocre.
66 is mediocre?

Did you ever study math?

66 would be 2/3 up the scale.
What is the lowest defense that would be taken in this league? Probably around 30. Do that math please? I explained this in ODL chat for last season to you.
66 might be on the low end IN THIS LEAGUE, but it's not mediocre.
Mediocre is, especially in this case, a comparative word. It means moderate quality. Not good, not bad, but meh. That is what 66 Def is in this league.
12/30/2022 2:30 PM
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Posted by savoybg on 12/30/2022 2:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by steelers821 on 12/30/2022 1:57:00 PM (view original):
Mediocre: of only moderate quality; not very good.
Mediocre is near average AT BEST, which would be a 50. To be a negative a defender would have to be bad enough that the guy he is defending will shoot a higher % against him than he normally shoots against the league. A 66 defender will still lower his man's shooting % some.

I'd put a mediocre defender at between 45 and 55 in this sim. A 66 is a decent or pretty good defender in my eyes. That may be below average in this league, but not overall.
You keep saying that and I keep telling you that you won't see many players drafted under 30 defense. This makes an average of 65. A 66 defender isn't going to have near the effect in this league where every stud offensive efficient talent is drafted than it does in an OL. You aren't lowering anything here. You are merely keeping up and not giving as much away.

Unfortunately, with all of the King of Cocaine's shot attempts at a poor efg% you will give away plenty there, or you will take a lower usage year with better efg% that sacrifices defense. Drafting him puts you in quite the Kobashi Maru.
12/30/2022 2:37 PM
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