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Again, do you have proof or no?

Also, if you think 1/351000+....hell even 10 or 100 out of 351000+ makes a legitimate case...you're insane...that isn't even close to happening 1% of the time, but allow zhawks to continue to bring up the most extreme, ridiculous examples in a very poor attempt to make a case for himself. That example and him saying that 370+ HD seasons is a small sample size, really shows how pathetic he is. You can hate me for the way that I argue, but at least I give you logical reasoning every time I respond.
12/28/2009 8:49 AM
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Can't you just accept that it has happened? Or is that too much to ask?
12/28/2009 8:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/27/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/27/2009
Colonels, my claim that coaches have made teams of all one position is in no way false.
Then prove that it is so...until then, its false..


its true - has happened many times - Jennings did it with a pac 10 team that was all SF - various folks have done it with all players of each position

its simply a fact - with or without a link
12/28/2009 8:58 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/27/2009
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Disagree. I've seen the all Johnson one time. I've seen all Sf a couple different times all at the div I level. Fresno state was the only one that I saw make any noise (nt wise) though using all guys at 1 position.
Even if this is true (still hasn't been proven)...a 1 in 351,750 probability shows that its extremely extremely extremely extremely rare that I'm EVER going to see a team with 12 cats at the VERY SAME position. Its a winless argument on zhawks end
how could one possibly calculate the probability of something that is determined by the decisions made by coaches? unless you have a model for brain function (which should be applied in more productive directions), I trust you understand that this is nonsense....maybe that was the intention
12/28/2009 9:00 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009
Can't you just accept that it has happened? Or is that too much to ask?

Its still unproven, but like I said....let's say it did happen....your argument claim is still extremely ridiculous. I wouldn't be patting myself on the back for 1 out of 351000+. And like I said earlier, my rankings COULD adjust for a team having 12 guys at one position, but then again, if you're going to foolishly sign 12 guys at the same position, then THEMS THE BREAKS. It MAYBE happened a handful of times in 370+ seasons and at max a team is playing them twice in any one given season...that's still only 6.7% of the schedule (2 out of 30), not the entire schedule.
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12/28/2009 9:01 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mamxet on 12/28/2009
how could one possibly calculate the probability of something that is determined by the decisions made by coaches? unless you have a model for brain function (which should be applied in more productive directions), I trust you understand that this is nonsense....maybe that was the intention
It was a bad choice of words, I'll admit that. I shouldn't have said probability because any person can sign 12 guys at the same position over the course of 4 seasons...but why would you and who would?
12/28/2009 9:02 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mamxet on 12/28/2009these responses are uncalled fo
Somebody said earlier that I should say unproven instead of false, and I have adopted this...another bad word choice. It doesn't make zhawks argument/extreme example any less ridiculous.
12/28/2009 9:03 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By mamxet on 12/28/2009
how could one possibly calculate the probability of something that is determined by the decisions made by coaches? unless you have a model for brain function (which should be applied in more productive directions), I trust you understand that this is nonsense....maybe that was the intention
It was a bad choice of words, I'll admit that. I shouldn't have said probability because any person can sign 12 guys at the same position over the course of 4 seasons...but why would you and who would
Someone who wants to win a title maybe? Since it has been done.
12/28/2009 9:04 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By mamxet on 12/28/2009
these responses are uncalled for
Somebody said earlier that I should say unproven instead of false, and I have adopted this...another bad word choice. It doesn't make zhawks argument/extreme example any less ridiculous
How is it ridiculous when it has happened? And not only has it happened but a title has been won with it?
12/28/2009 9:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mamxet on 12/28/2009
how could one possibly calculate the probability of something that is determined by the decisions made by coaches? unless you have a model for brain function (which should be applied in more productive directions), I trust you understand that this is nonsense....maybe that was the intention
It was a bad choice of words, I'll admit that. I shouldn't have said probability because any person can sign 12 guys at the same position over the course of 4 seasons...but why would you and who would?
Someone who wants to win a title maybe? Since it has been done
You're really going to keep trolling out these ridiculous example arguments? Let's say this has happened once or twice for argument's sake...there are still 368 out of 370 champions that had at least 1 player at 2 different roster positions....so let's see what should I go with....2 out of 370, or 368 out of 370.....lemme take the 2................
12/28/2009 9:08 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mamxet on 12/28/2009
these responses are uncalled for
Somebody said earlier that I should say unproven instead of false, and I have adopted this...another bad word choice. It doesn't make zhawks argument/extreme example any less ridiculous.
How is it ridiculous when it has happened? And not only has it happened but a title has been won with it
Its ridiculous because its so unlikely that it doesn't even really matter in what I'm attempting to do. 1 out of 351000 isn't even close to 1 percent....10 or 100 out of 351000 isn't even close to 1 percent. Like I said a few posts ago, I COULD adjust for nonsense like this, but if you want to trot out 12 PGs or SGs or SFs or PFs or Cs, then thems the breaks...you want to be an idiot, that's your choice.
12/28/2009 9:10 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mamxet on 12/28/2009
how could one possibly calculate the probability of something that is determined by the decisions made by coaches? unless you have a model for brain function (which should be applied in more productive directions), I trust you understand that this is nonsense....maybe that was the intention
It was a bad choice of words, I'll admit that. I shouldn't have said probability because any person can sign 12 guys at the same position over the course of 4 seasons...but why would you and who would?
Someone who wants to win a title maybe? Since it has been done.
You're really going to keep trolling out these ridiculous example arguments? Let's say this has happened once or twice for argument's sake...there are still 368 out of 370 champions that had at least 1 player at 2 different roster positions....so let's see what should I go with....2 out of 370, or 368 out of 370.....lemme take the 2...............
What you fail to realize is that whether it has happened twice or 50 times these teams would not be properly ranked in your system, again another flaw.
12/28/2009 9:17 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By mamxet on 12/28/2009
how could one possibly calculate the probability of something that is determined by the decisions made by coaches? unless you have a model for brain function (which should be applied in more productive directions), I trust you understand that this is nonsense....maybe that was the intention
It was a bad choice of words, I'll admit that. I shouldn't have said probability because any person can sign 12 guys at the same position over the course of 4 seasons...but why would you and who would?
Someone who wants to win a title maybe? Since it has been done.
You're really going to keep trolling out these ridiculous example arguments? Let's say this has happened once or twice for argument's sake...there are still 368 out of 370 champions that had at least 1 player at 2 different roster positions....so let's see what should I go with....2 out of 370, or 368 out of 370.....lemme take the 2................
What you fail to realize is that whether it has happened twice or 50 times these teams would not be properly ranked in your system, again another flaw
Wait a minute........you're really trying to spin this argument like this now? I ask why and who would sign 12 guys at the same position....you say guys who want to win titles...I return that probably an overwhelming majority (99+%) has won titles with at least 1 player at 2 different positions, and you start changing the subject and talking about how these teams will be considered in my rankings (not SOS)....classic zhawks....classic....
12/28/2009 9:24 AM
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But colonels just there you yet again fail to realize what I am saying, regardless of if the team was good or bad your ranking would treat them all the same regardless of what position all 12 players are, while it can be done with sf's and titles won, what about pg's? or c's? Your ranking would treat them all the same and that is a major flaw, just because all 12 centers might be talented that doesn't make the team good. Is this that hard to grasp?
12/28/2009 9:28 AM
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