Posted by dino27 on 2/6/2019 8:18:00 PM (view original):
thepew research polling in 2018 found that 58% believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases....37% said no...5% did not know......thats basically 60 - 40.

I don't base my morality on the pew research center. I base my morality on my conscience. If it was 100-0 in favor of abortion, it would still be wrong.

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 5:11:00 PM (view original):
And I don't understand how this is so hard for you to grasp. The ability to survive separately is pretty ******* crucial to the argument that someone is a separate person.

The fetus can be removed (and die). It cannot be separated and survive. It's not a separate person.

You never answered me. If it is week 28 and the fetus can survive then is abortion OK or not?

It's somewhat irrelevant. Less than 0.10% (not ten percent, one-tenth of a percent) of abortions are performed after 24 weeks and almost all of them were due to fetal anomalies.

No one is having voluntary late-term abortions.

So? The rare case is irrelevant? I remember someone only a few pages back asking me about a rare case. Can't have it both ways. Rare cases are relevant or they're not.

It’s not that rare cases are irrelevant, it’s that no one is having voluntary abortions at 24 weeks. It just doesn’t happen. Late term abortions only take place when something has gone wrong. Those specific fetuses aren’t viable regardless of stage.

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:13:00 PM (view original):
KO, you agree that there are at least some situations where abortion should be allowed, right?

If I concede that the 1% of abortions that pose a legitimate threat on the mother's life are justified, will you concede that the 99% of the other abortions aren't?

No.

I'm trying to see where you draw your line. It's hard to take your claim that abortion is murder seriously if you think it's OK in some situations.

I think abortion is wrong in all cases. If a woman has uterine cancer and the baby dies during treatment, that is quite tragic but it is different than abortion.

So, just to be clear, if you had it your way, there is no situation where you would allow a legal abortion?

Yep.

Oh, but what about rape? Not the baby's fault. Find the rapist and cut off his genitals.

Yeah but that doesn't solve for the fact that you have a pregnant rape victim.

I understand if the mother doesn't want to keep the child. Adoption is the option for this. Don't murder the baby because of it.

Aren't you taking away the freedom of the mother?

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Posted by dino27 on 2/6/2019 8:18:00 PM (view original):
thepew research polling in 2018 found that 58% believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases....37% said no...5% did not know......thats basically 60 - 40.

I don't base my morality on the pew research center. I base my morality on my conscience. If it was 100-0 in favor of abortion, it would still be wrong.

and you are entitled to your opinion as am i...
so whats the so called debate for.
this is already decided law and science.
this has been an exercise of wastefullness of time.

Posted by dino27 on 2/6/2019 6:49:00 PM (view original):
if a baby is born without a brain but it breathes what should be done.

the system should do what a mother would do for as long as she could do it

stick a *** in its mouth, do its diapers

after a time the *** has to go elsewhere

days or weeks

what laramie bob said a few posts up was well said and i agree with it.

"...after a time the *** has to go elsewhere"

That is awesome phrasing.

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Posted by bad_luck on 2/6/2019 4:13:00 PM (view original):
KO, you agree that there are at least some situations where abortion should be allowed, right?

If I concede that the 1% of abortions that pose a legitimate threat on the mother's life are justified, will you concede that the 99% of the other abortions aren't?

No.

I'm trying to see where you draw your line. It's hard to take your claim that abortion is murder seriously if you think it's OK in some situations.

I think abortion is wrong in all cases. If a woman has uterine cancer and the baby dies during treatment, that is quite tragic but it is different than abortion.

So, just to be clear, if you had it your way, there is no situation where you would allow a legal abortion?

Yep.

Oh, but what about rape? Not the baby's fault. Find the rapist and cut off his genitals.

Sorry Coach, but your position is clearly a very extreme position. Very few Americans would support the banning of ALL abortions including rape, etc.

Your decision to put this issue forward for debate flies in the face of your stated reason for this thread.
There can be no rational debate when half the debate takes an extreme position and insists it is just so.

That's Trump's style of "deal making" and it only works on those willing to be bullied.
Which is why Trump will have to declare a BS National emergency in a lame attempt to fund his stupid useless wall............. Pelosi ain't gonna be bullied.

More dysfunction and wasted taxpayer dollars ahead as the whole wall idea ends up in the Courts and nothing happens............ again.
So much losing by us taxpayers!

this says it well...." there can be no rational debate when half the debate takes an extreme position and insists it is just so "
it isnt just so for a vast majority...it is gray but not just so....

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/6/2019 9:41:00 PM (view original):
"...after a time the *** has to go elsewhere"

That is awesome phrasing.

hours in a hard place with no food and other gaping mouths

a thousand years ago you put it out in the snow or sun or you smother it

sh*t maybe ten thousand years ago just speculation on my part you put it on a spit and call it veal

hmm. Both sides are taking an extreme position to me and probably on purpose. That way, the chances of a reasonable compromise become greatly reduced and both sides can claim moral superiority. You see that a lot lately.

i would like to know how many of us here would need to debate an abortion if the long term health or life of their wife or gf was at stake........no debate for me.
how many here would favor abortion if the baby to be would be born with catastrophic defects ......abortion would be an easy decision for me.
anybody disagree on either of those situations ?

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/6/2019 9:41:00 PM (view original):
"...after a time the *** has to go elsewhere"

That is awesome phrasing.

hours in a hard place with no food and other gaping mouths

a thousand years ago you put it out in the snow or sun or you smother it

sh*t maybe ten thousand years ago just speculation on my part you put it on a spit and call it veal

I was complimenting you. I may use that line and claim it as my own amongst my inner circle.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/6/2019 9:51:00 PM (view original):
hmm. Both sides are taking an extreme position to me and probably on purpose. That way, the chances of a reasonable compromise become greatly reduced and both sides can claim moral superiority. You see that a lot lately.

no...just showing it is sometimes a gray area even for extreme enemies of choice.
i say it is gray..i am not in any way demonstrating moral superiority...thats why i favor choice.

the bagchucker abides.