Tea Party 4-18-11 Topic

My evidence is this. Budgets went up about 3 fold since its creation.
No, only 30%.  When you consider and additional 75 mil or so people added to the population and the expense of technology in the classroom today compared to 1980 (what's more expensive, books or computers), I would say that a 30% increase in the budget is actually pretty meager .

Results are bad.
When you defund a department, performance tends to lack.

And common sense logic says the less administration you have the less you sepnd. 
True, but ED actually has fewer employees today than it did before it was it's won department.


Rolling ED into HHS offers no solution to our issues with education in this country.
9/2/2010 3:54 PM
The truth on the funding end though is that there is no consistent correlation between how much a country or state spends per student and the performance of those students.  Pumping another 50 bil or so into ED (or just giving it straight to the states for that matter) is no guarantee that student performance will go up.  So let's go back to your ED/HHS consolidation theory.  

Your assumption is that ED would drop some administration and yes, we may lose a few government jobs with consolidation, but there's no proof that these very, very, very, very small savings would be passed onto the schools. There's no proof that these very, very, very, very, very small savings would have any impact even if they were passed on.  Like I said before, it's like searching for spare change in the couch cushions.  What does this really do to help education in the US?
9/2/2010 4:19 PM
Education is just an easy target because the Department is pretty new.

I think we need to roll back government in all areas. Federal government is supposed to take care of things the states cant, not almost everything.

9/2/2010 5:40 PM
The Budget for ED has been running about 70 bil for years. This year there was a drop, but 100 bil from the stimulus got thrown in.

The budget in esseance doubled in 30 years.

I posted a detailed budget a page or so back.
9/2/2010 5:43 PM
Christ, you just don't care about making factual arguments, even when it helps your side?  

Now I remember.  Blocking resumed.
9/2/2010 8:38 PM

I posted the budget. I accepted your 39 billion with inflation.

Whats 39 into 70?

9/2/2010 10:25 PM
Posted by creilmann on 9/2/2010 4:19:00 PM (view original):
The truth on the funding end though is that there is no consistent correlation between how much a country or state spends per student and the performance of those students.  Pumping another 50 bil or so into ED (or just giving it straight to the states for that matter) is no guarantee that student performance will go up.  So let's go back to your ED/HHS consolidation theory.  

Your assumption is that ED would drop some administration and yes, we may lose a few government jobs with consolidation, but there's no proof that these very, very, very, very small savings would be passed onto the schools. There's no proof that these very, very, very, very, very small savings would have any impact even if they were passed on.  Like I said before, it's like searching for spare change in the couch cushions.  What does this really do to help education in the US?
This is because, in my humble opinion, the education of any student starts at home, and in the community.  It is then polished and enhanced at the schools that student attends.  Yes, the teachers are important, but no where near as important as involved parents and a community that yearns for an educated populace.

Or something like that . . . . . .
9/2/2010 10:35 PM

120 Days to Go Until the
Largest Tax Hikes in History

From Ryan Ellis on Friday, September 3, 2010 6:00 AM

In just 120 days, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect.  They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves on January 1, 2011:
 

First Wave: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief

In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families.  These will all expire on January 1, 2011:

Personal income tax rates will rise.  The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed).  The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent.  All the rates in between will also rise.  Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates.  The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:

- The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%

- The 25% bracket rises to 28%

- The 28% bracket rises to 31%

- The 33% bracket rises to 36%

- The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%

Higher taxes on marriage and family.  The “marriage penalty” (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income.  The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child.  The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level.  The dependent care tax credit will be cut.

The return of the Death Tax.  This year, there is no death tax.  For those dying on or after January 1 2011, there is a 55 percent top death tax rate on estates over $1 million.  A person leaving behind two homes and a retirement account could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones.

Higher tax rates on savers and investors.  The top capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011.  The top dividends tax rate will rise from 15 percent this year to 39.6 percent in 2011.  These rates will rise another 3.8 percent in 2013.

 

Second Wave: Obamacare

There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare.  Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011.  They include:

The Tanning Tax.  This went into effect on July 1st of this year.  It imposes a new, 10% excise tax on getting a tan at a tanning salon.  There is no exemption for tanners making less than $250,000 per year.

The “Medicine Cabinet Tax” Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

The HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike.  This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Brand Name Drug Tax.  Starting next year, there will be a multi-billion dollar tax assessment imposed on name-brand drug manufacturers.  This tax, like all excise taxes, will raise the price of medicine, hurting everyone.

Economic Substance Doctrine.  The IRS is now empowered to disallow perfectly-legal tax deductions and maneuvers merely because it judges that the deduction or action lacks “economic substance.”  This is obviously an arbitrary empowerment of IRS agents.

Employer Reporting of Health Insurance Costs on a W-2.  This will start for W-2s in the 2011 tax year.  While not a tax increase in itself, it makes it very easy for Congress to tax employer-provided healthcare benefits later.

 

Third Wave: The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes

When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise—the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired.  The major items include:

The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year.  According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families—rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million.  These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level.  The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.

Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear.  Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or “depreciate”) equipment purchases up to $250,000.  This will be cut all the way down to $25,000.  Larger businesses can expense half of their purchases of equipment.  In January of 2011, all of it will have to be “depreciated.”

Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses.  There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place.  The biggest is the loss of the “research and experimentation tax credit,” but there are many, many others.  Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.

Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced.  The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available.  Tax credits for education will be limited.  Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses.  Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut.  Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed.  The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.

Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed. Until this year, a retired person with an IRA could contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA.  This contribution also counts toward an annual “required minimum distribution.”  This ability will no longer be there.
 

9/3/2010 10:46 AM
Too bad the GOP in the Senate won't negotiate to keep the tax rates lower for most people. Assholes.
9/3/2010 3:39 PM
Too bad the Democrats wont make a deal, give the Republicans the partt hey want, and get the part they want.

What happened to the spirit of bipartisanship that Obama was elected on?
9/3/2010 3:41 PM
Too bad the Democraps won't work with the Repugs to get a deal done. 

What's their motto??  F compromise and ram it through!!!! 
9/3/2010 5:54 PM
...and the great Obama recovery is worse than the 2008 Bush Depression!  Another 54k jobs lost, 283k for the summer. 

http://bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
9/3/2010 6:00 PM
That article you posted would be a lot more trustworthy if it didn't include hypothetical tax increases in its cries of DOOOOOOOOM.
9/3/2010 6:01 PM
9/3/2010 6:08 PM
Posted by rlahann on 9/2/2010 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Christ, you just don't care about making factual arguments, even when it helps your side?  

Now I remember.  Blocking resumed.
Another example of liberal debate. He posts his point I post mine. We exchange data. We talk about things. He disagrees with me. He has a screaming hissy fit because I continue to disagree with him.

He blocks me.

The is all too common. There is nothing about my debate, just that I have a different conclusion.

Everyone can look at the numbers. I accepted his 39 billion after inflation. Budget is about 70 billion. This year it was lowered, but 100 billion was added from the stimulus.

Clearly I am correct, and Rlahann ran away because he refused to talk about this with a conservative. He wanted to talk to a liberal about what the government should do to make education better. I dont want that conversation to exist!

If he couldnt block me he would just stop talking. I destroyed him and he wants to avoid that issue!

9/4/2010 1:36 AM
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