Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:33:00 AM (view original):
I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win, but I am constantly perplexed by how frequently I will see owners devote huge portions of cap to trying to get from like 55 AST% to 70 or get 40 OREB% but then not bat an eyelash at picking someone with 19 TO% or a guard with over 5 FP48.

" I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win "

Tell me about it.

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:33:00 AM (view original):
I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win, but I am constantly perplexed by how frequently I will see owners devote huge portions of cap to trying to get from like 55 AST% to 70 or get 40 OREB% but then not bat an eyelash at picking someone with 19 TO% or a guard with over 5 FP48.

" I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win "

Tell me about it.

Yeah, I mean, you literally wrote the wiki for the sim.

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:33:00 AM (view original):
I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win, but I am constantly perplexed by how frequently I will see owners devote huge portions of cap to trying to get from like 55 AST% to 70 or get 40 OREB% but then not bat an eyelash at picking someone with 19 TO% or a guard with over 5 FP48.

" I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win "

Tell me about it.

Yeah, I mean, you literally wrote the wiki for the sim.

I actually thought about doing some YouTube videos on it. There are guys that have hundreds of thousands of subs who do nothing but do videos of nba 2k myleague sims that are totally just "What If?" scenarios... could drum up a bunch of new owners for the site...

...but then I thought, why would I do that for free when the site doesn't care about advertising?

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:33:00 AM (view original):
I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win, but I am constantly perplexed by how frequently I will see owners devote huge portions of cap to trying to get from like 55 AST% to 70 or get 40 OREB% but then not bat an eyelash at picking someone with 19 TO% or a guard with over 5 FP48.

" I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win "

Tell me about it.

Yeah, I mean, you literally wrote the wiki for the sim.

I actually thought about doing some YouTube videos on it. There are guys that have hundreds of thousands of subs who do nothing but do videos of nba 2k myleague sims that are totally just "What If?" scenarios... could drum up a bunch of new owners for the site...

...but then I thought, why would I do that for free when the site doesn't care about advertising?

I used to write a blog for HBD when I was super into that and also modded a sub-reddit (before reddit sucked, or at least before I knew it sucked) for another WiS community. It is such a weird thing having a site of absurdly devoted customers and an administrative unit who is, um, not devoted? I mean, I don't know much about the upkeep costs, admin costs, resources, profit that can be funneled into R&D and stuff. It is just such a weird little site when you think about it.

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 6/8/2020 10:18:00 PM (view original):
aren't rb% more a opp differential stat tho? drives me nuts to lose the boards battle (misses of all kinds given as equal) when I have a 40/100 squad and he has a 30/80 squad but it happens more than occasionally so maybe I'm wrong

It's your 100 vs their 30, and your 40 vs their 80. The offensive shooter has a penalty to his orb% when he attempts the shot, so the offensive end (already normally dominated by at least a factor of 2 by defensive boards), you're going to naturally be dominated by the defensive end. That's kind of why guys like robusk (and me the past like 4 years) focus less on offensive boards than defensive ones. If I went crazy and got something like 60 or 70% orb, a below average team would still dominate me on the offensive end on the glass. I don't flat ignore orb, as every boost helps the die roll, but yeah. Most non OL teams are not gonna have higher than 40-45 orb, so having 85-90 drb flat dominates them on that end. Without even trying you will typically end up with 25+ orb.

Also, from all of the State Farm teams I learned one simple thing: Missing less shots > having high orb. I typically dominate the rebound battle with my state farm squads despite often having 20 or less orb and only around 75-80 drb.

"misses of all kinds given as equal" - intended to mean = same or similar missed FGAs and FTAs (I have an inkling this is tweaked in favor of the D side but could be wrong) on both sides of the box scores - means both sides 'should' be favoring the 100 v the 30 and the 40 v the 80 (if you see what I mean) - the 100 should be locking the 30 out, the 40 should be eking out maybe just a few extra Orbs against the 80

TLDR: it's just the usual seble sample size nonsense in most cases

Good thing I drafted a bunch of OReb%, right? Right!?

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:33:00 AM (view original):
I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win, but I am constantly perplexed by how frequently I will see owners devote huge portions of cap to trying to get from like 55 AST% to 70 or get 40 OREB% but then not bat an eyelash at picking someone with 19 TO% or a guard with over 5 FP48.

This used to be me for years on this site. I had to have 35 oreb%, 90 dreb%, and 70 ast%. And tried to reach that no matter the PFs, the turnovers, or the poor free throw shooting. I still have that 90 dreb goal but I wont sacrifice turnovers to do it. If you think about it 1 turnover is like 1 missed shot. So let's say you shoot 11 for 20, which is 55% but you turn the ball over 5 times. If you count each turnover like a missed shot you go 11 for 25 which is 44%. Now who here would draft someone with that fg%? I know I wouldn't.....

Posted by samuelyork93 on 6/9/2020 6:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:33:00 AM (view original):
I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win, but I am constantly perplexed by how frequently I will see owners devote huge portions of cap to trying to get from like 55 AST% to 70 or get 40 OREB% but then not bat an eyelash at picking someone with 19 TO% or a guard with over 5 FP48.

This used to be me for years on this site. I had to have 35 oreb%, 90 dreb%, and 70 ast%. And tried to reach that not matter the PFs, the turnovers, or the poor free throw shooting. I still have that 90 dreb goal but I wont sacrifice turnovers to do it. If you think about it 1 turnover is like 1 missed shot. So let's say you shoot 11 for 20, which is 55% but you turn the ball over 5 times. If you count each turnover like a missed shot you go 11 for 25 which is 44%. Now who here would draft someone with that fg%? I know I wouldn't.....

Let's do the same example but with eFG. Let's say 2 of those 11 shots made were 3 pointers. If that was the case then that players eFG for that game is 60. Which is really good. But add in those turnovers as missed shots then that eFG lowers to 48. Again I wouldn't draft a high usage player with an efg of 48 unless I had to.

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/9/2020 12:33:00 AM (view original):
I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win, but I am constantly perplexed by how frequently I will see owners devote huge portions of cap to trying to get from like 55 AST% to 70 or get 40 OREB% but then not bat an eyelash at picking someone with 19 TO% or a guard with over 5 FP48.

" I often spill way too much of my thought process in the threads which makes it harder and harder to win "

Tell me about it.

Yeah, I mean, you literally wrote the wiki for the sim.

I actually thought about doing some YouTube videos on it. There are guys that have hundreds of thousands of subs who do nothing but do videos of nba 2k myleague sims that are totally just "What If?" scenarios... could drum up a bunch of new owners for the site...

...but then I thought, why would I do that for free when the site doesn't care about advertising?

Alright buster, less chit-chat on the commentary thread, more entering your teams into the leagues. I know you're used to waiting for jcred to pick first but you don't have to wait for him to enter his teams first ;)

I have never crunched numbers to anywhere near the extent of the other guys participating on this discussion, which is (among other things) why I'm not quite as successful. But my two, relatively uninformed cents, which I think is basically just agreeing with the folks above, would be as follows: I think in recent years it's become more apparent than high-usage, high-efg%, low-TO/PF guys (or guys that check as many of those boxes as possible) return the best bang for their buck in the SIM. In other words: draft guys who will use their possessions most efficiently (and give you enough usage to avoid penalties that impact that efficiency). As long as you're not too weak everywhere else, things will probably work out.

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:15:00 AM (view original):
A note on the ast% testing thing ... Ben's right; I have done almost no testing at the bottom end. We had a pretty extensive exchange some time back about it, though, and was taking his testing into account in my conclusion. I am pretty sure nobody has done as many teams on the high end, though. That's interesting that the step function is 10s then 20s. I figured it was 25 the whole way. Time to run some 140-145% teams!

Just a guess, you've done more testing then I have for over 100%. It could very well be 25% intervals.

Posted by ashamael on 6/9/2020 12:31:00 AM (view original):
pretty sure Ben got that quote from jlg; if he didn't, he should have! jlg said it often enough.

I didn't! I'm sure he said similar things though. I wasn't around for those 6 minutes of Hell teams, but I think I might have lost to jlg's first state farm champion in a finals!

all this talk of high assist teams makes me want to try it out. I'm thinking something like CP3, Stockton, Magic, Lebron, Giannis, Wilt. That'll put 140%+ on the floor at the same time. Sound about right?

Posted by pexetera on 6/9/2020 11:04:00 AM (view original):
all this talk of high assist teams makes me want to try it out. I'm thinking something like CP3, Stockton, Magic, Lebron, Giannis, Wilt. That'll put 140%+ on the floor at the same time. Sound about right?

I mean if you're able to play six guys at once I think you're going to win no matter how high your ast% is.

that would be awesome. or maybe just a 6 man rotation. what salary cap did they run the state farm leagues at?