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You're gonna need relevant figures, swamp. You can't just use an alias to parrot the same misunderstanding that 80/85/85/85 is some sort of minimum acceptable figure and expect anyone to buy it. You can produce the same discredited argument under a hundred aliai since you don't seem to read or comprehend it when someone rebuts your argument, but people will lose all interest in this thread long before that.
7/20/2009 12:24 AM
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Just checked HR: 32 guys, just in the major leagues, who are 75/80/80/80 or better. If you want to be strict about 80/85/85/85, there are 10.

There's another 20 guys with 75/80/80/80 current ratings at Triple-A, 2 of whom are 'full' 80/85/85/85.

Another 3 guys at Double-A with 75/80/80/80 current ratings, 1 of whom is 80/85/85/85.

So depending on how serious you are about defense, there are either 13 or 53 players in the majors or upper minors who can play shortstop right this second, not even considering potential development in the future.
7/20/2009 2:26 AM
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And how many errors do you forsee a 75/80/80/80 getting in a full season?
7/20/2009 2:32 AM
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7/20/2009 7:11 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 7/20/2009And how many errors do you forsee a 75/80/80/80 getting in a full season?

I don't have to 'foresee' anything, fool. Leagues have stats.

Alberto Jose was 79/82/81/83 at the beginning of last season. He ended up making 27 errors in 129 games, with an RF of 5.94. He had 484 assists, and made one 'plus' play and two 'minus' plays.

By contrast, Brady Fitzgerald started last season at 80/82/85/85, and committed 23 errors in 143 games, with an RF of 5.86. He had 517 assists, and made two 'plus' plays and six 'minus' plays.

Closer to the top of the scale, my guy Francisco Osuna (the player I signed as a minor league free agent because his previous owner him buried at Double-A) started last season at 92/91/95/87, and committed 11 errors in 144 games with an RF of 5.70. He had 529 assists, and made eight 'plus' plays and zero 'minus' plays.

Other players I look at with similar fielding ratings fall well within those ranges as far as stats go.
7/20/2009 9:51 AM
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My MG SS is 82/88/86/85. Just barely the recommended ratings. He made 20 errors in 158 games while fielding .977. RF of 5.77.



In MLB 2009, one SS with 50+ games played has a RF over 5. Andrus, 77 games, 5.36 RF.

9 SS, with 50+ GP, have .977+ fielding percentage.

How, again, is fielding "broken"?

7/20/2009 10:12 AM
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If you want good defensive SS, you have to prioritize them. Not just complain and whine about needing more. I drafted 2 SS in this Morgan's draft, they project to 91/87/89/95 & 94/89/94/100 at 18 & 20 yrs old respectively.

My major league roster has 2 guys who currently meet the recommendations. My starter is 90/87/92/87 while my backup is 90/85/87/91.

In my system I have these 8 guys' projecting to play an adequate if not good SS.
94/92/94/100 - ML backup
93/81/87/90
93/87/95/89
93/90/93/91 - ML starter
91/84/94/88
91/87/89/95 - draftee
94/89/94/100 - draftee
89/91/96/95 - IFA this season

There were also 12 prospects in the draft this year who met or exceeded all but one rating.
7/20/2009 10:26 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/19/2009MGraham has 66 SS, all levels, with 80 across the board. 38 of them match the 80-85-85-85


I should note that of the 38 who met all recs, only 21 teams had at least 1. One team had 4. If you don't make the effort, you won't get the player.
7/20/2009 10:33 AM
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There do seem to be a few worlds that have a lot of Defensive SSs. They are not common and seem to be the aberration.

I have looked at many worlds, and the ones with over 30 SSs of proper fielding are a small minority.

I also want to ask do you think people are really not signing at all good defense bad offense SSs? I can see not moving them to AAA or the majors, but these guys would still be in the minors and be available.
7/20/2009 1:45 PM
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A few things have to happen to get good defensive SS:

1. They have to be drafted. And then signed.
2. They have to play and get promoted.

#1 may not happen. No way to know what each individual world does. However, I often "group" defensive SS(85 across the board) at the end of my "top" players when ranking. And I often get 2-3 in rounds 10-15. One owner can't keep a world populated with SS. So it's a group-think.

#2 won't happen if you let SIMMY run your minors and your have other SS options at each level. SIMMY always plays the better hitter. And, in all likelihood, they won't get promoted because they're not improving.
7/20/2009 2:07 PM
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Short answer: Yes, some owners don't give a damn about recommended SS defense. They aren't going to draft, sign and develop players who never hit .250 or more. And those worlds will have less and less qualified SS as a result.
7/20/2009 2:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/20/2009
A few things have to happen to get good defensive SS:

1. They have to be drafted. And then signed.
2. They have to play and get promoted.

#1 may not happen. No way to know what each individual world does. However, I often "group" defensive SS(85 across the board) at the end of my "top" players when ranking. And I often get 2-3 in rounds 10-15. One owner can't keep a world populated with SS. So it's a group-think.

#2 won't happen if you let SIMMY run your minors and your have other SS options at each level. SIMMY always plays the better hitter. And, in all likelihood, they won't get promoted because they're not improving.

You also need a good fielding coach...
7/20/2009 2:28 PM
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You would think. But this guy makes me wonder what qualifies as good:

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2141324

I screwed up budgeting and ended up with a 57 FC. Bolling is improving with the glove as expected.
7/20/2009 2:38 PM
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I probably value the defensive SS more than most people ... I make sure to have 2 defensive capable SS on all my MLB teams ... admitedly, many of them can't hit their weight

here's the point ... sometimes I draft them ... sometimes they are sitting there for the Rule 5 ... sometimes I trade for them ... when I trade for them, they usually don't cost me much

If the defensive SS was such a valuable and rare resourse, I shouldn't be finding them in the Rule V or be able to trade a AAAA bullpen guy for them

in fact, they are so plentiful and easy to obtain, I rarely keep them past their arb1 season ... I just discard them and find another one for $326K
7/20/2009 2:52 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 7/20/2009

I probably value the defensive SS more than most people ... I make sure to have 2 defensive capable SS on all my MLB teams ... admitedly, many of them can't hit their weight

here's the point ... sometimes I draft them ... sometimes they are sitting there for the Rule 5 ... sometimes I trade for them ... when I trade for them, they usually don't cost me much

If the defensive SS was such a valuable and rare resourse, I shouldn't be finding them in the Rule V or be able to trade a AAAA bullpen guy for them

in fact, they are so plentiful and easy to obtain, I rarely keep them past their arb1 season ... I just discard them and find another one for $326K

I could use an AAAA bullpen guy at New Britain.
7/20/2009 3:00 PM
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