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Quote: Originally posted by schuyler101 on 7/21/2009
Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 7/21/2009That's not what you said:Basically give every team the same HFA, one that results in the home team winning about 55% of the time.
It can be read both ways, sorry for the confusion. I would hope to get the benefit of the doubt, because what you think I meant is impossibly stupid.

You've got nothing to apologize for. What you meant was obvious.
7/21/2009 1:39 PM
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I took it to mean that every team would win approximately 10% more games at home than on the road.

I wouldn't call that impossibly stupid but somewhat stupid.
7/21/2009 1:40 PM
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Why would you assume a world's average home field winning percentage would mean every team was just about spot-on the average?
7/21/2009 1:42 PM
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7/21/2009 1:44 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 7/21/2009I took it to mean that every team would win approximately 10% more games at home than on the road. I wouldn't call that impossibly stupid but somewhat stupid. 

Somewhat stupid? Because that's exactly what happens in real life...
7/21/2009 1:45 PM
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So you want your HBD team to win 10% more home games just for showing up?
7/21/2009 1:52 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/21/2009Somewhat stupid? Because that's exactly what happens in real life..
let's compare this HFA stupidity to something slightly more tangible from the SS defense thread (not coincidentally, same OP)

it turns out that HBD SSs have about a .010 lower fielding percentages than MLB fieding percentages ... if MLB SS have a .974 Fld %, why doesn't HBD (on a macro level) ... I mean, that's what happens in real life!!!

but owners in HBD make decisions to play sub-par guys at SS ... but if there was some engine component that made HBD SSs field .974 (on a macro level), everybody could start 1Bs at SS, and the engine would just "adjust" things to make sure they don't make too many errors

same argument for a "forced" HFA to get to 55% home win % ... why wouldn't all owners just build teams suited to their road ballparks, since the engine will adjust things enough to make sure that the home teams win 55% of the games (on a macro level)?
7/21/2009 1:54 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009why wouldn't all owners just build teams suited to their road ballparks

And how, exactly, would one go about building a team "suited" to playing in multiple ballparks with wildly divergent park effects?
7/21/2009 2:00 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/21/2009
Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009 why wouldn't all owners just build teams suited to their road ballparks

And how, exactly, would one go about building a team "suited" to playing in multiple ballparks with wildly divergent park effects


That's an easy one. Get all the good players.
7/21/2009 2:08 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zbrent716 on 7/21/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009
why wouldn't all owners just build teams suited to their road ballparks

And how, exactly, would one go about building a team "suited" to playing in multiple ballparks with wildly divergent park effects?



That's an easy one. Get all the good players.
Come on, now. Where's the "freebie" in that?
7/21/2009 2:10 PM
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Up until then, 'motown had a point. Asking the program to "normalize" results opens up a can of worms that probably is best closed.
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7/21/2009 2:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/21/2009
I don't think owner decision making is what causes there to be a negligible home/road winning % split in HBD. I'd be surprised if there were many owners who have custom tailored their team to the point where, year in year out, they win 10% more at home. I welcome examples of owners who have managed to average 10% more wins at home over the course of 3 or 4 seasons (a reasonable time period). It takes a number of seasons to custom tailor your team like that but since we have so many vets around here and a number of worlds going on 10+ seasons I would think if there were an example of this someone could provide it


In seasons 5-8 of Joey Belle, I won 25 more games at home than on the road. 397 wins, 211 at home, more at home every season in Dover. Not quite 10% but I think it proves it can be done.
7/21/2009 2:23 PM
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