The Death of World Foxx Topic

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The funny part, in my mind, is that I don't mind seeing someone get burnt in deals in the worlds I play in. Usually it's someone getting a good player with a fatal flaw(low health/stamina/durability) but everyone has a dozen seasons under their belt. No n00braping because I don't play in world with inexperienced owners.
11/6/2009 9:39 AM
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I was waiting for you to post that caveat.
11/6/2009 9:41 AM
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If you're talking about ABU, that's value for value. A #2 for a #4/5, a catcher and the ability to sign the 31st/36th picks in the draft. I win this year(and next), he wins for the next 10 seasons(assuming his picks develop).

Only an idiot would think that's an unfair deal.
11/6/2009 9:48 AM
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To be clear, you get a 29 yr old #2 SP for two seasons and gave up a #4/5 (2nd round pick) and a borderline ML C (4th round pick). In fact, if you aren't able to resign the SP (and you'd be a total idiot to not try), you'll get get at least a supplemental and probably one other.

There's something completely wrong with you that you continue to argue the deal is fair.
11/6/2009 9:53 AM
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do we really need to discuss that in this thread?

world chat is not enough?
11/6/2009 9:54 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sergei91 on 11/06/2009it's amazing to me that new owners who don't ask plague specifically for advice 'think they know everything' and deserve to get fleeced in trades
I was thinking the exact same thing, sergei.

Just because you don't ask for advise, doesn't mean you think you know everything.

Since when does trying to be independent and not be spoon fed how to play a game mean that you're all full of yourself??
11/6/2009 10:00 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sergei91 on 11/06/2009
do we really need to discuss that in this thread?

world chat is not enough?



I have him blocked because he's an annoying *** so this is his only avenue.
11/6/2009 10:02 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jvford on 11/06/2009
To be clear, you get a 29 yr old #2 SP for two seasons and gave up a #4/5 (2nd round pick) and a borderline ML C (4th round pick). In fact, if you aren't able to resign the SP (and you'd be a total idiot to not try), you'll get get at least a supplemental and probably one other.

There's something completely wrong with you that you continue to argue the deal is fair.



Nothing you just said wasn't detailed by me in the world chat(although I dispute the borderline C part).

The ability to sign two first round draft picks evens it up pretty quickly.
11/6/2009 10:04 AM
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But I'm curious about the catcher. I'm gonna start a thread.
11/6/2009 10:05 AM
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what plague has been arguing this whole time is capitalism and free market society at its heart and this whole argument is kind of interesting on a whole. How far do you take the interests of your own and where does it become detrimental to the whole?

It seems to me that there are two extremes:

One is that every owner should ultimately focus on their own team and their goal should be to go undefeated in the season - anything short of that means that they have a weakness that may be exploited.

On the other hand, the other extreme is that everyone in the league should have the goal of creating 32 equal teams that go 81-81 every season - and any other result just means that you have one or more teams that are too strong and therefore creating an unbalance in the equality of all.

Anything in between these two extremes is some sort of combination and there definitely needs to be some ground rules that everyone understands before.

Is it McDonalds fault that they have a restaurant in every town in america or is society's fault for being lazy and not taking the time to cook?
11/6/2009 10:44 AM
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NOthing new really. Similar scenario played out in my private league for a few seasons. A couple teams would always trade players that were pretty good, but either up for arbitration or already arbitration about to become free agents for the best available prospects. Effectively "restocking the pond" every season. The only thing that stopped it was getting owners who had enough common sense to not trade their best prospects for a bunch of players that were older and making more money.

In this case though, being a public league, it would be up to the other owners to step in and veto things. If nothing changes than drop the league and find a private league (plenty of openings) or different public league (even more openings).
11/6/2009 11:03 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 11/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By sergei91 on 11/06/2009
it's amazing to me that new owners who don't ask plague specifically for advice 'think they know everything' and deserve to get fleeced in trades
I was thinking the exact same thing, sergei.

Just because you don't ask for advise, doesn't mean you think you know everything.

Since when does trying to be independent and not be spoon fed how to play a game mean that you're all full of yourself??



not to mention he may have asked OTHER owners for advice
11/6/2009 11:05 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bigal888 on 11/06/2009
what plague has been arguing this whole time is capitalism and free market society at its heart and this whole argument is kind of interesting on a whole. How far do you take the interests of your own and where does it become detrimental to the whole?

It seems to me that there are two extremes:

One is that every owner should ultimately focus on their own team and their goal should be to go undefeated in the season - anything short of that means that they have a weakness that may be exploited.

On the other hand, the other extreme is that everyone in the league should have the goal of creating 32 equal teams that go 81-81 every season - and any other result just means that you have one or more teams that are too strong and therefore creating an unbalance in the equality of all.

Anything in between these two extremes is some sort of combination and there definitely needs to be some ground rules that everyone understands before.

Is it McDonalds fault that they have a restaurant in every town in america or is society's fault for being lazy and not taking the time to cook?



hi bi gal
11/6/2009 11:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sergei91 on 11/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By bigal888 on 11/06/2009

what plague has been arguing this whole time is capitalism and free market society at its heart and this whole argument is kind of interesting on a whole. How far do you take the interests of your own and where does it become detrimental to the whole?

It seems to me that there are two extremes:

One is that every owner should ultimately focus on their own team and their goal should be to go undefeated in the season - anything short of that means that they have a weakness that may be exploited.

On the other hand, the other extreme is that everyone in the league should have the goal of creating 32 equal teams that go 81-81 every season - and any other result just means that you have one or more teams that are too strong and therefore creating an unbalance in the equality of all.

Anything in between these two extremes is some sort of combination and there definitely needs to be some ground rules that everyone understands before.

Is it McDonalds fault that they have a restaurant in every town in america or is society's fault for being lazy and not taking the time to cook?




hi bi gal


Hi.
11/6/2009 11:18 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sergei91 on 11/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 11/06/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By sergei91 on 11/06/2009
it's amazing to me that new owners who don't ask plague specifically for advice 'think they know everything' and deserve to get fleeced in trades
I was thinking the exact same thing, sergei.

Just because you don't ask for advise, doesn't mean you think you know everything.

Since when does trying to be independent and not be spoon fed how to play a game mean that you're all full of yourself??




not to mention he may have asked OTHER owners for advice
Excellent point!
11/6/2009 11:21 AM
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