Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 1/01/2010If you read what they told him (and if you believe it), you guys are both arguing the same thing. Yes, they brought down the upper end, and it only affects the upper echelon of HR hitters. That is what they are claiming they did. So you're both right
So instead of debating nothing, why not address whether they handled the situation properly or not? That is a much more interesting debate in my opinion

Quote: Originally posted by hartjh14 on 1/01/2010I know YOU think that.  You've made it clear.  Here is what they said:"The change we put in place only impacts the upper echelon of HR hitters and only impacts HR."I'm not sure how you can interpret that to mean that it affects every player.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by hartjh14 on 1/01/2010
I know YOU think that. You've made it clear. Here is what they said:

"The change we put in place only impacts the upper echelon of HR hitters and only impacts HR."

I'm not sure how you can interpret that to mean that it affects every player.

So you believe they introduced new code into the engine to target elite power hitters, rather than merely tweaking the existing home run algorithms.

I instead believe that they talked down to mark in that ticket and tried to dumb down their answer to the point that it became factually incorrect, and that the summation they included in the release note (which talks about home run frequency in general, not elite power hitters specifically) is accurate

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 1/01/2010It starts a new debate. How can HRs across all worlds be down 15-20% if only upper echelon are impacted?My Las Vegas team had no guys who have ever hit over 61 HRs, and before the update I was hitting homers at the same pace as last year. After the update I declined, and ended up hitting 37 less total HRs this year.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by hartjh14 on 1/01/2010
I know YOU think that. You've made it clear. Here is what they said:

"The change we put in place only impacts the upper echelon of HR hitters and only impacts HR."

I'm not sure how you can interpret that to mean that it affects every player.

So you believe they introduced new code into the engine to target elite power hitters, rather than merely tweaking the existing home run algorithms.

I instead believe that they talked down to mark in that ticket and tried to dumb down their answer to the point that it became factually incorrect, and that the summation they included in the release note (which talks about home run frequency in general, not elite power hitters specifically) is accurate

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010They didn't tweak any hitters, mark. That isn't even a feasible change to the engine, really.

They tweaked HR frequency at one end of the scale. They "brought the upper end down". They changed their "formulas" -- they didn't introduce some search and destroy algorithm into the engine designed to only seek out players with a PWR rating in a certain range. Frankly, it's ridiculously naive to think that they would

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010But it wouldn't only affect those hitters, hart. That's nonsense. The tweak would hit them the hardest, sure, but it couldn't target a specific type of player. A player with 0 PWR still has some small chance to hit a home run; it's just much less of a chance than a player with 100 PWR.

All they did by "bringing the upper end down" is narrow the difference between the two to some degree.

If you believe that the change exclusively affects elite power hitters, then you believe they introduced new code into the engine specifically to target those players. And that's ridiculous


How do you know what the existing home run algorithm is and what it looks like? How do you know that with the existing model they couldn't target specific power ratings? If you have access to the alogrithms that make up the game please share them.

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 1/01/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 1/01/2010
If you read what they told him (and if you believe it), you guys are both arguing the same thing. Yes, they brought down the upper end, and it only affects the upper echelon of HR hitters. That is what they are claiming they did. So you're both right.
So instead of debating nothing, why not address whether they handled the situation properly or not? That is a much more interesting debate in my opinion.

That is completely illogical. Changing the home run formula would affect every player who has an At Bat. While the reason for the change is to trim the top end, it is illogical to think it affects no one else.

As for addressing "whether they handled the situation properly or not," first you better wait a few seasons until you can reliably see the effects of the change. All these current arguments based on fractions of seasons and a handful of players are nothing more than hollerin' down an empty well.

Of course, I don't expect the empty-well-hollerin' to stop or even slow down. Hollerin' down an empty well is what a lot of people are good at.



How do you know what the existing home run algorithm is and what it looks like? How do you know that with the existing model they couldn't target specific power ratings? If you have access to the alogrithms that make up the game please share them.

Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 1/01/2010
To end this debate:

With this home run adjustment, you only talk about guys who used to hit 80-90 now be "limited" to 60 or so. Does that mean that 40-home run guys are unaffected or is everyone affected? Will 10-HR guys now hit 7? Or, is the only affect on the 80-90 guys? Thanks, again (robinhood410 - Hall of Famer - 3:48 PM)

Only the upper echelon will be affected, the lower power rating players will not see an adjustment.

http://www.whatifsports.com/devchat/devchat.asp?chatid=85



I originally thought that the update was going to decrease HR for all players and thus make it so that no player would hit 80 HRs and that those guys would now hit 50 and the guys that hit 70 would now hit 40 and so on.

This answer completely proves that wrong. It now sounds like it makes it so that the guys that hit 80 now hit 50 and the guys that used to hit 50 now still hit 50.

If thats what they did it is the dumbest thing in the history of the programing. All of the evidence seems to suggest that this is what they did. This place has gone downhill since they fired the creator, the people in charge are running around making changes like a chicken with its head cut off now.